TOPIC: Dr. Loria

dont you just love it when you write a post for quite a while and accidently hit the X instead of switching to the tab.
so here we go again in the less well written version. i fucking hate this.

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I can\'t see that much diffrence between Dr.C and Dr.L when it comes down to the very basics! Both are willing to inject material into the penis of patients, which they \"belive\" in.
They are both in it for the money and doing it on the back of peoples vainity, if you want to say it like that.And im ok with that. (I only wrote the last sentense because someone brought this up)
And both put you out for the unknown longterm risks.

I don\'t know if it is a big plus that Dr.L is in the usa. For possible later corrections of complications.

I think we can put the hairshit aside, because that is a whole diffrent thing.
If someone is not happy with the result of the \"haircut\" then he might write something bad about the doctor.
If we would find cases of complications, with the material he uses, then that would be more helpful. Even if its not in the penis area.

The more members of the forum would speak in person to him, the better information, we would get.
And he would have to give logical answers to everything, we adress towards him. Very intersted in \"sleepdoc\" report still and all the others that don\'t mind checking this Dr. out.

You have to keep in mind that even if all the pe doctors, are only in it for the money, at least they are somewhat trying to offer a solution and even more important, even if only by accident, bringing our idea forward.

I think that was somewhat about it, i was already done god dammit. My post was before SO posted, just saying

There is actually a huge difference between Dr C and Dr Loria. Bioplasty and PMMA were around and established long before Dr C started injecting it. The only reason Dr C is so popular around here is because he\'s the nearest established Bioplasty practitioner to the US (or California at least.) If the US were nearer to Brazil I suspect another practitioners would be equally as popular. For the European based guys it seems Dr N in Prague is becoming as, if not more, popular than Dr C. The point is, that the material and the technique is established.

Dr Loria on the other hand is using what appears to be his own propriety cocktail and is developing his own technique.

You say they are both willing to inject material they \"believe\" in, but one is clearly taking a much greater leap of faith than the other.

I am sure that Dr.Loria knew about the brazilian pmma bioplasty technique (using a micro-cannula) he has mentioned that he uses a cannula during his procedure, but he knows that he cannot use the expensive filler Artefill for penile enlargement, so why didn\'t he use the other cheaper permanent filler alone \"Silikon1000\", I think the main reason for that imo he couldn\'t use the micro-droplets technique (v. important for safe Silikon1000 injection) in penile subcutaneous plane actually it will be impossible there are no barriers like tissues between the micro-droplets in the injected field they can easily mixed together( the micro-droplets will cluster together and form a bigger size, where you will get serious complications e.g. migration, infection etc.) and it is also known not to use large volume with Silikon1000 for the same reasons. He knew also that some doctors in south america (e.g. in Venezuela, Panama and Colombia) use not 100% pure PMMA instead they use a cheaper one \"a mixture of PMMA and Silicone (30:70% conc.)\", so imo he must have some contacts with these doctors :-

I have mentioned about this topic before :-

www.makemeheal.com/answers/viewMBQuestion.do?qid=4614&eid=246
messageboards.makemeheal.com/buttocks-au...ions-t101029-45.html \"posted by spy9doc\"

In summary :-

Some doctors in south america mixing PMMA with Silicone (30:70%) and others e.g. in Korea mixing PMMA (20%) with crossed-linked Dextran (70%) and e.g. cellulose and others (10%)=>(Lipen-10).

Dr.Loria mix Artefill with Silikon1000 with temporary fillers (Dr.Loria\'s cocktail) its conc. could be the same as in the Lipen-10 (20:70:10%).

The only thing I didn\'t understand in his site:- it was mentioned you might need 1-6 rounds ??? why you might need 6rds ??? I expect you will need less rounds with his cocktail ( which has more permanent products than the other pure pmma products e.g. Newplast or Metacril or Artefill) ?? The only explanation for that he injects only few cc\'s in each round to avoid any complications ??

Smartman,
I like how you think. I trying to understand how it works as well. He told me avrage amout is 10 -60cc per session. Its not all silikon 1000. I am wondering if the silikon is sold in micro droplet foarm? Or is that why he has to mix it. I also wonder the size of the droplet compared to PMMA bead size? Any how you sound like a great person to call and ask the
Indepth questions. Let\'s keep the discussion going.

kcchief wrote: Smartman,
I like how you think. I trying to understand how it works as well. He told me avrage amout is 10 -60cc per session. Its not all silikon 1000. I am wondering if the silikon is sold in micro droplet foarm? Or is that why he has to mix it. I also wonder the size of the droplet compared to PMMA bead size? Any how you sound like a great person to call and ask the
Indepth questions. Let\'s keep the discussion going.

Unless Dr. Loria is willing to reveal his \"proprietary\" information, everything will be speculation & guesses. No thanks to a syringe full of \"speculation & guesses\" in my Dick.

His \"cocktail\" isn\'t something revolutionary. It\'s just a clever way to perform a cost-effective penile bioplasty with a permanent filler in the states. Think about it, no one can afford Artefill, and Linnea Safe & Metacrill are not FDA approved. So he has to find something that is (i.e. Silikon 1000), and mix it in such a way where he can distribute the product 10cc+ of the product without an insanely high number of injections. He does all this in light of the fact that Silikon 1000 clearly states it is not to be mixed with other substances. He\'s ultimately finding a way to jump onto the penile bioplasty bandwagon, and finding a cheap alternative to Artefill is why he has this \"cocktail.\" What concerns me is what is in this cocktail. Who knows what is being mixed to keep the \"overhead costs\" low. How safe are the other substances that he\'s mixing with the Silikon 1000?And as Smartman pointed out, there is no way Dr. Loria was completely oblivious to the techniques of other physicians around the world. And I wouldn\'t be surprised if he was aware of this forum (and consequently, the success of penile bioplasty in the short term) well before he introduced his own method publicly.

Here are a few questions that, quite frankly, if Dr. Loria can\'t answer, or is unwilling to answer, not sure why anyone would dare take the risk . Quite frankly, I\'m shocked that anyone would consider this option altogether considering what has transpired in this thread . Regardless, if you are still on the fence, throw these 3 question-sets at the good Doc and share with the forum your findings.

Will you provide multiple, unaltered Before & After photos of your procedure? Your inability to share this information with me essentially says that you are selling your cosmetic procedure on your WORD alone. Or, alternatively, your inability to share this information forces me to book a plane ticket & coincide my schedule with one of your open houses to see an undisclosed number of Before & Afters. Neither are fair and most successful cosmetic surgeons provide some kind of Before & Afters without a consultation.Will you reveal the contents of your cocktail? For proprietary reasons, if you wish to withhold the ratios, fine, but the ingredients themselves are crucial. However, knowing everything about the filler would be ideal. Also, how would you address Silikon 1000\'s precaution against mixing with other substances?How many men have you performed this on? What was the average gain? And what is the percentage of complications to date? What are the nature of these complications?

There is no question about the fact that Dr.L has to reveal the substances of his mixture.
And this should be pretty easy to bring to his understanding.
How can one get a new method done without knowing, what he is dealing with.
Let\'s approach him with these questions!

Simply wanted to see the conversation going.

aestheticgirth wrote: There is no question about the fact that Dr.L has to reveal the substances of his mixture.
And this should be pretty easy to bring to his understanding.
How can one get a new method done without knowing, what he is dealing with.
Let\'s approach him with these questions!

Simply wanted to see the conversation going.

I agree. I\'m all for discussion if the doctor in question is willing to be transparent.

I think the most pressing issue (outside of the shilling shenanigans which alone present a glaring red flag) are the contents of his filler. Does anyone know if there\'s ever a situation in modern medicine / cosmetic surgery, where a patient is administered something that he can\'t get full disclosure of? I mean, the idea that we\'re injected with something (into our penis of all places) without any knowledge of its overall composition reminds me of those girls who go to underground injection parties to get their butts bigger, only to have found out it was silicone caulk used for bathroom tiles. Not saying that\'s what we have here, but without any knowledge to Dr. L\'s cocktail ingredients, all of it is up to pure speculation.

And that\'s just scratching the surface. Once (assuming if) we obtain that information, then there is so much more to discuss. But this absence of info (no before & afters, no disclosure of his cocktail ingredients), will mean that this conversation will ultimately stall.

It is my opinion that this whole thing is a waste of this site\'s bandwidth....I can suggest that this thread be locked and forgotten till some real info is presented, but I can only suggest...

I was just talking to Messageman and I told him I knew this \"new procedure\" is no good from the moment I saw the pix.....

What do you guys think? lock it or keep it going?

I see that we have DR LORIA as our newest member. If he is the real deal, he can chime in and give us an insight and answer many questions our fellow members might have.

funkyasian wrote: I see that we have DR LORIA as our newest member. If he is the real deal, he can chime in and give us an insight and answer many questions our fellow members might have.

That is correct, it appears he registered with his office contact\'s email which helped verify his account.

Hello,

My name is Dr. Loria and it appears there have been some questions raised about several issues. If you wish, I will answer them to the best of my knowledge.

I will address some of the more pressing concerns.

1. About My Experience in General. I have extensive experience with facial fillers. Even though i had performed many hair restoration procedures, Cosmetic Dermatology covers much more than that, such as Facial Fillers, Botox, CO2 Face Resurfacing procedures, other laser procedures etc. I started my practice in New York in 1993 performing these procedures.

2. Penis Enlargement Experience: Yes, I have been performing Penile Enlargements for over 1-year now. Keep in mind that placing filler material in the facial cheeks, lips,, hands, and other body parts is very similar to injecting into the penis. I say this because even though it appears that \'1-year\' experience is not much, my results are very good.

3. About Silikon 1000. When i speak to non-medical people the explanations for certain topics of discussion are very simplified. For example, i state that Silicone, after injection, is converted to collagen. In actuality, Silicone converts to nothing....it remains Silicone...what actually happens is the body sees the Silicone particles and surrounds it with collagen. This is referred to as a \'foreign body\' reaction. The body will do this with numerous substances. After the body \'converts\' the Silicone to collagen the result is an increase in circumference (and increase in Glans size if treated as well).

4. About Penile Length. Currently i am working on a technique to increase penile Girth directly. Will have results this winter/spring. However, patients that i have treated 2-3 times (Penile Shaft and Glans treatments) do experience length gains...about 1/2 to 1 1/4 Inch...modest gains but real.

I will be more than happy to entertain any questions.

Dr. Loria






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Welcome to the forum I am happy to see you here to answer the questions the members and mods have.

Hello Dr Loria. If I may ask did you study Phalloplasty in the states, and who was your mentor ? Is the glans procedure more risky ? I don\'t know other doctors offering it, so it will be popular if it is predicable and has a good track record.
Also I would assume the length gain is Flaccid only, not Erect correct ?
Welcome to the the forum.
FC

DR LORIA wrote: However, patients that i have treated 2-3 times (Penile Shaft and Glans treatments) do experience length gains...about 1/2 to 1 1/4 Inch...modest gains but real.

Glad you\'ve found our forum, and you will come to learn that we\'re an objective, critical, yet fun bunch of newbies, veterans, and moderators who want nothing more than the free flow of authentic information as it pertains to penis enlargement. With an industry plagued by false claims, it is the very mission of this forum to ascertain the truth.

I ask all members to welcome Dr. Loria, he\'s our second Physician Member since our forum\'s inception. While it is healthy to engage in debate, please remain cordial and respectful, and remember to review the forum rules if you haven\'t already. Dr. Loria has been given permission to join our discussion forum and his account has been verified.

As for my first response, I\'d like to ask you more about your purported length gains. You mention you can see somewhere between 0.5\" to 1.25\" in length gains with your procedure(s). Are these gains in the Flaccid state or the Erect state? And by what method/mechanism are you achieving these gains?

Thanks.