TOPIC: Morganstern Non-Surgical Length and Width

I just read aces claim. Note that he did not say he gained an Inch from the procedure, he said he gained it from stretching for 3 months, the procedure, and reduction in fat pad (the 1\" must be measuring bone pressed). The non-surgical procedure involves injecting a filler to hold it away, certainly you can\'t inject an Inch of filler ... the rest comes from reduction in fat pad and whatever you get from an extender. How much can you get from an extender in 3 months? Probably not a lot but here is one reference:

In 2002, a small study by Colpi et al. [15] began to unveil the efficacy of penisstretching physiotherapy in the 'small penis' treatment, showing a stretched penis augmentation of +1.8 cm (range +0.5 to +3.1 cm) after 4 months of use of a penisstretcher device called Andropenis (Andromedical, S.L., Madrid, Spain) for at least 6 h/day. A recent prospective study [7] showed that, after 6 months of daily use of the same extender device for ?4 h/day, there was a significant gain in length, of 2.3 and 1.7 cm for the Flaccid and stretched penis, respectively, but no significant change in penile Girth was detected.

So maybe he was lucky and got 1/3\" from the extender, 1/3\" from fat reduction, and 1/3\" from the injected filler? No idea.... just saying that he didn\'t claim it was an Inch from the procedure....

Hey Think could you expand on what they said about their researches on Ellanse please? thank you

think wrote: I just read aces claim. Note that he did not say he gained an Inch from the procedure, he said he gained it from stretching for 3 months, the procedure, and reduction in fat pad (the 1\" must be measuring bone pressed). The non-surgical procedure involves injecting a filler to hold it away, certainly you can\'t inject an Inch of filler ... the rest comes from reduction in fat pad and whatever you get from an extender. How much can you get from an extender in 3 months? Probably not a lot but here is one reference:



So maybe he was lucky and got 1/3\" from the extender, 1/3\" from fat reduction, and 1/3\" from the injected filler? No idea.... just saying that he didn\'t claim it was an Inch from the procedure....

Good point, I must have misread it. Fat pad reduction can work wonders for some, and long-term stretching has worked for some as well.

Gg82 wrote: Hey Think could you expand on what they said about their researches on Ellanse please? thank you

I did not get specifics on the exact research they did, only that they were conducting research for quite a while before making it generally available to their patients. I also could not take notes on everything I was told, as I got a callback at work, and stepped out to take the call without grabbing a pen/paper. I assume it would be similar to what Dr. Oates did--doing research on Ellanse safety, looking for reports of adverse reactions, and starting out with trials on a few volunteer patients. Up to this point, they\'ve done about 50 patients (last I spoke to them it was 40). They also said that due to the way it triggers an inflammation response, you can have some pain a couple of days after the procedure, which is manageable, but if you exceed 10 ml in a session its not good. Coming back for the second session is ideal 8-12 weeks apart. Also had some discussion about the texture and firmness with the patient consultant, who has had both voluma and Ellanse (I think he said he may have been the first one they injected with it, but I could be mistaken). He had a hard time describing it, but I got an idea. He also said he didn\'t want to mislead me as its different for everyone, as we all know from reports of voluma.... and also difficult to isolate, as he had voluma first, followed by Ellanse.

I wanted to take a little more time and clarify my situation for everyone lots of people have messaged me about this and several have called my statement of facts into question I have no reason to even tell my story except to help others as a matter of fact more people following in my foot steps has just increased the cost and annoyance of getting on the schedule for top offs etc. but having lived this trial a tribulation in life the decision was made to let others know this is really not a big deal to have done and hopefully encourage other doctors near Minnesota to follow suit and open clinics and reduce my hassle with travel.
Started PE under 6.0
Started PE NEAR 300LBS

*Started PE manual stretching and doing exercises had a full routine \"minimum gains if any\" 6 months
* Bought a barrage of scam devices finally zeroed in on Phallosan Forte did 3000 hours gains were present but after discontinuing use most gain was lost still better hang and appearance
* 4 P-shots over 3 months gains lasted 2 weeks better errection and health but painful procedure and very expensive
* started consulting DR.s in USA spoke to G,M,L,I and Dr.houge finally found Morganstern
* All Dr.s were good during phone consults but the fact Dr. Morganstern was a Urologist and my wife being in health care it was our decision to use him for round 1
* Prior to travel I did all day stretcher ties off at the knee as recommended by Morganstern and began to work out 1 hour weight training with heavy emphasis on a 300 set per day ab routine lost about 20 lbs pure fat prior to my procedure logging hundreds of hours with all day stretcher 15 hours a day
* ROUND 1 travel to Atlanta \"Dr M\" Had perm non surgical length procedure this is them pulling your penis forward with force and placing a l long term filler behind the penis \"deep\" to move you forward almost advancing the pelvis think of it as having a more pronounced pelvic appearance much like men with very lean body and ab profiles do just fast forwarding This round the Girth was done with Juvederm lasted 4 months and had lost at least 75%
ROUND 2 Travel again to Atlanta \"Dr. Karney\" had phone consult and decided to do FFT did pre-op DR said if I wanted they are doing Voluma lasts longer and if I liked the Juvederm while it lasted to stick with fillers lower risk and less post op issues either procedure requires touch up and both Dr M/K\" stated FFT is best topped off with voluma to make smooth in rounds 2 or 3 took also noted that filler placed on filler base lasts longer wife and I decided to stick with Voluma and try for round 2 this felt even better and more natural than first round and lasted a year at 50% or more
ROUND 3 basic voluma touch up and had a Vasectomy done at the same time added 10 ml wish I would have done 20 ML but still looks good

now 200lbs, 7x7

I can simplify this entire page for everyone

if you want length from 5-7\" you need a xy done by a Urologist.... and plan on Hanging and using a stretcher for at least a year and then once per week for life

if you want a Inch loose 50-100lbs and work on every bit of your abs lots of leg lifts etc add some filler id say a 5\" penis Girth will require 75 ml filler every 3 years to stay over 6\" further that extra Inch doesn\'t do much for you other than the look the 1\" Girth does but you will need to either go to mexico or get a higher income if you want to invest 10k year in your penis

I am very happy with my choice and on round 2 and 3 we didn\'t smooth out the bumps \'personal choice due to partners preference\" you cannot see bumps Flaccid either both these Dr.s are world class people who truly care about and excel in there work both Dr. s asked over and over are you happy! I highly recommend this clinic and hope other Clinics will open in the USA feel free to PM me if you need more information

Hey, thanks for the detailed update.

Any pics of before - round 1 - round 2 and current?

@think something I've been wondering for a while, without finding an answer, is this: how much permanent enlargement is expected after the product is dissolved and the neocollagene has been formed?
For example, if you get 1' Girth gain, how much will you retain after 3-4 years (depending of what kind of Ellanse is used)? 0.2-0.3'? More?
Did you have a chance to ask this to Morganst?

Gg82 wrote: @think something I've been wondering for a while, without finding an answer, is this: how much permanent enlargement is expected after the product is dissolved and the neocollagene has been formed?
For example, if you get 1' Girth gain, how much will you retain after 3-4 years (depending of what kind of Ellanse is used)? 0.2-0.3'? More?
Did you have a chance to ask this to Morganst?

Really good question, I\'ve also wondered but found nothing definitive. What I\'ve read makes it sound like it all goes away (even the generated collagen). Tidbits I recall, stuck my head can\'t pinpoint where:

- even with HA, there seems to be some buildup (require less touchups as time goes on)
- dr c even prefers Radiesse to HA, because there is some (less than Ellanse) perm buildup

Since there is no definitive answer I am just considering Ellanse to be temp, but longer lasting.

I've been trying to get ahold of Morganstern to schedule with no luck . Not sure if they're just busy or not receiving messages etc. anyone have a contact there?

I am waiting for a call back for a phone consultation, they do seem very busy. I called last week and got voice mail.

I have a consultation scheduled. It took them almost a week to get back to me, they must be busy.

If you don\'t hear back in a few days, leave another message saying it\'s your second call and you would like to schedule a consult. They\'ll eventually get back to you. They are busy, also with Urology cases.

Another heads up, when I did get my consult with Morganstern they sent me a link to a dial-in. When I tried, I was sitting on hold for 10 minutes and realized something was wrong. I called their office and they apologized but said the teleconferencing was not setup, and they transferred me to Morganstern. So if that happens, call their office. They\'re not up on their tech, but they are experts in Urology and PE so be patient.

They're just really busy, took them 2 weeks to get back to me, best to keep leaving voicemails.

@aces
Great gains, at first I was skeptical but it appears you obtained your length via fat pad reduction which I\'m a firm believer in. If you plan to see Dr. M again ask him about whether or not he\'s interested in joining our forum as a Sponsor, as his name seems to be gaining traction/trending on the forum.

@tbone777 (Original poster)

I removed the \"$8500\" out of the title as it sort of read as an advertisement, even if it wasn\'t meant to be. No penalty to you, just thought I\'d let you know.