TOPIC: Wife/GF/SO Girth thread Continuation

zayne wrote: What\'s the need to glorify average-ness? I\'m not saying average isn\'t great. I\'m just wondering why on a site where almost everyone is increasing his size, do those people who are increasing their size discredit the idea of it and go so far as to generalize the validity of a \"study\" recording publicly reported preferences for dildoes to preferences for actual penises, which can be appreciated for psychological, aesthetic, and a dynamic and tactile experience distinct from that of dildos.

There may or may not be an intent to discredit PE, but regardless, I think it\'s important to put in perspective that most of us are indeed adequate. I say this because many men come to this forum thinking they are small and it\'s studies like these that may be of relief to many men, and may help them reassess what it is they want and what it is they are willing to risk to achieve it. When you realize that you are indeed \"normal,\" or \"average,\" you may less inclined to take the risks associated with Phalloplasty. This may be the indirect intention of this thread, but that\'s exactly why I love it.

It is self-contradicting and insincere to advocate for average if someone strives for beyond it.

@EQ:
Now bigger? If you went over average, then you are finished with your PE procedures, unless you are hypocritical.

I wonder what Girth the women would choose if the dildos were 5 inches in length

gsxr7501941 wrote: I wonder what Girth the women would choose if the dildos were 5 inches in length

Well keep in mind that toys tend to be longer than the average penis to account for the amount of the toy taken up by the users hand. So, in effect, a woman could be inserting as much as 5\" given that the rest of the toy is in her hands. Giving her a shorter toy will only make it more challenging for her to insert an adequate length (unless of course she uses her fingers to hold the toy, which probably makes the thrusting less stable).

zayne wrote: It is self-contradicting and insincere to advocate for average if someone strives for beyond it.

@EQ:
Now bigger? If you went over average, then you are finished with your PE procedures, unless you are hypocritical.

Not advocating for average, advocating for sensibility in light of the fact that pursuing above-average can come with risks/costs.

SO, I see your point about advocating sensibility, evenhandedness, but misrepresenting the results of a study with questionable methods and paraphernalia (rather than actual penises) is not the honest way to do that.

zayne wrote: What\'s the need to glorify average-ness? I\'m not saying average isn\'t great. I\'m just wondering why on a site where almost everyone is increasing his size, do those people who are increasing their size discredit the idea of it and go so far as to generalize the validity of a \"study\" recording publicly reported preferences for dildoes to preferences for actual penises, which can be appreciated for psychological, aesthetic, and a dynamic and tactile experience distinct from that of dildos.

My take on things is that EQ is of exactly the same mindset as you, only he\'s approaching things from a different angle. From your point of view, based on your previous posts, it\'s important that size really matters to women. So you look for evidence that this is true (hence you even asked if women were addicted to Sizemics penis). EQ wants the same feeling of phallic superiority, but is more concerned about complications, thus isn\'t prepared to go that big. So from his point of view, why encourage people to go bigger.

It\'s not just you and EQstudent either, we all do it. In some it\'s more obvious than others.

In my opinion, the truth is we are all guilty of putting far, far too much emphasis on how much size matters to women. We probably do this to excuse what we see as our failings and to give us the belief that we have found the answer. We want to feel good about ourselves, so if we can believe penis size is so important, then it gives us a massive boost, as we know something can be done about it. This is why we are so often guilty of ignoring the dangers of doing these procedures. In your case it\'s particuarly obvious, that you are trying to get around other insecurities by gaining confidence from having a big penis, but most of us are just as guilty (for want of a better word), but in a more subtle way.

Interesting points Zayne. I guess I do not see EQ Student as glorifying averege-ness but instead giving some more data to add to what we all already know about where we are, where we rate (compared to average) and, if we are intending to go beyond such average-ness, just how that might be perceived by our sexual partners. For me personally it provided another baseline to set my mental goals toward. I want to be beyond average Girth by all accounts. Since all accounts is impossible, I will take any significant study and use that as my baseline. I am not going to blindly follow anyone with a chart and some figures but what EQ has provided coincides pretty well with the surveys I\'ve read and my personal experiences. Granted I also believe a real human penis has many advantages over a toy especially considereing the dynamics of the two ppl involved but there are too many variables there to use when pursuing PE unless you just have a specifict person you are trying to impress or who has personnaly made you feel the need to change your physique. I do not believe unless I missed it that EQ said his GF\'s study ever stated that any of the participants Prefered a dildo to an actual penis tho. It is fortunate that we have a place here to hit these points from various angles and with ppl from a variety of personal PE experiences.

@EQ, I propose these questions be added to your girlfriend\'s study, and that all responses be submitted anonymously to reduce any kind of outside influence:

(1) Would you prefer a penis smaller, the same, or larger than that dildo you chose?
(2) (While being presented with size-labeled dildos) Which size penis would you prefer?
(3) Do you look for the same dimensions in a dildo as you do in a penis?
(4) What is first priority in choosing a dildo? a. feel against my clitoris, b. feel inside of me
(5) How would you best describe your reaction to a thick penis (one which was thicker than the size of the dildo you selected)? Choose 1 or more.
a. a thick penis is ugly
b. a thick penis is visually more exciting
c. a thick penis is physically more exciting
d. a thick penis is physically displeasing

Let\'s see how correlative the dildo study results actually are to women\'s penis size preference.

Edit: and just to further eliminate any reporter effect, ask women to evaluate dildos separately (away from opinions which can form collaboratively or as a result of peer pressure), then include a question-item asking how the participant felt most others would choose size-wise -- *This will probably be the only true answer she reports.*

Now those are some really good questions to gather some more unbiased data. Biased only referring to the different treatment and use of replicas vs the real thing. Glad you guys are keeping this all straight! lol

PMMAallTHEway wrote: I do not believe unless I missed it that EQ said his GF\'s study ever stated that any of the participants Prefered a dildo to an actual penis tho.

You are correct. The course is about Women\'s Penis Size Preferences.

In fact dildos were not a key part of the course. The reason for the dildos was to provide a concrete control item to represent a specific Girth. It turns out that most people (men and women) have a difficult time identifying with a Girth number unless a physical item is provided. If you say 4\" thick most people have a much harder time relating than if you give them a 4\" thick item.

Similar courses in the Psychology department in the past just used plastic pipes of various sizes to represent penis sizes!

The course was a semester long and had a 1200+ question survey that had to be completed. It was sponsored by 3 Doctors in the Psychology department. It is much more involved than the small summary I have presented.

EQ I never meant to even imply that this study wasn\'t comprehensive. Just agreeing that as future studies come about regardless of who undertakes them it is better to have more ideas than needed and not overlook anything. i think we all have to admit that there is no way humanly possible to have gotten real penis volunteers to have all the the dimensions needed, address all of the safety concerns or even remotely met a deadline anywhere close to what this study did. Ppl are just too unpredictable lol. I said it before and reiterate it now, I love his study and thread and could not wait to share with my wife. Hell I even sent an except to my dad who is on the fence about PMMA. No clue where he is size wise, don\'t want to know but he can appreciate this kind of information. Thanks again!

@PMMAallTHEway - No problem. I really appreciate your well thought out comments. You are spot on when you say that the results coincides with other similar studies.

This one did not just survey the women about their current preferences but also got info on the sizes thay had experienced and also got them to try and record their reaction to different sizes to get their feedback.

All in all very interesting stuff. The data of this semester and one more will be presented as part of my GF\'s PhD thesis so should be published in the next 18 months. I will post the link when it is available, assuming she is not still pissed at me.

Well, this is a useless study for approximating women\'s Girth preferences for actual penises -- the point of this forum. However, I am certain that it has benefit to the dildo industry.

Lol EQ...hope she gives you the go ahead to share! Good luck with that!