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Yes. Also people have to aware alot of complications that happen are not immediate. So you could be reading postive reviews from people who's procedure actually ended up being a disaster with time.

That is why i think he is abit naive to claim or belive
the "new" procedure that is a year old can be judged to have no complications. The people having it now are the guinea pigs. The final verdict is unknown on this procedure.

Also he seems very quick to big up the procedure and Dr. Which kinda makes me suspicious. But i know the guy from LPSG and had started other treads there so i think it is properly more on a current euphoric feeling now than a user connected to advertising for the dr. Time will tell how it will end for him. He regularly posts on twitter so if he does need it removed we will probably find out.

He also said he did not care about never being able to have sex. All he wanted was a monster cock. He explains his reason on a u tube post. Not suprising he was bullied as a kid which gave him insecurities.

I fixed the link for you.

Not sure how he gained that increase in erect length other than a pure miracle/anomaly of a case... maybe the implant forcefully stretched out his skin that otherwise wasn't being utilized, I don't know. However, the vast majority of reports over at PhalloBoards 2.0 AND the Elist subReddit indicate erect length being virtually unchanged, or even shortened. This tells you how anomalous his purported length gains are.

The Penuma Implant remains a very risky proposition, and heck, Dr. Elist (creator of this device) is potentially facing the loss of his Medical License which the Board of Medicine of California are reviewing now. Rigid silicone implants are super artificial, it's like having a dildo as a dick. There are countless reports of men who face serious complications from this type of procedure, which can be found at the PhalloBoards 2.0 link above and over at a Penuma Complications subReddit.

Obviously no procedure is without risk, but some come with a severity I consider unacceptable. You don't think these Penuma Doctors wouldn't pay me handsomely to delete bad reviews and bring them on as Sponsors? I could probably afford a Lambo with what I suspect they'd be willing to pay, even if it is just speculation. I wouldn't do it of course, I sincerely care what is presented to my readership. Suffice it to say, I've seen and read enough to know that the procedure itself is inherently flawed, and so no amount of refining or innovating will fix the problems that seem to occur over and over again.

My biggest concern with Penuma is how its long-term damage to unsuspecting men will have a very serious and negative impact on the direction of medical male enhancement. If the medical community as a whole only hears about the complications and botcheries, it will be hard to incentivize future Clinics from improving on what DOES work.

If you're reading this and are still on the fence about Penuma, go ahead and scratch it off your list. There are so many more effective and proven ways of increasing size, no need to consider something so obsolete.

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I been following this guy who got a penula implant. He belives he will go from 8.5×5.3 to 10×8. He says his erect length has increased immediately after op and belives it should continue to increase with time. How does an implant increase lenght btw? Will watch this with interest. From what i read on here about silicon implants from Dr Elist is that after time they need to come out and you're left with a shorter penis and nerve damage. When he was asked about the risks of needing it to be removed he said this new procedure doesn't have the complications like the old style. But then he said the new procedure is just a year old. So how could he claim that there will be no complications in the future with a procedure that just started a year ago.

I dont think link to his twitter worked. His twitter is nude spirit

skiman wrote: "]With AlloDerm/Surgimend/MegaDerm it would seem that infection after insertion of the grafts is the most worrying issue, where the body rejects the graft, however it would seem even long after there is still a chance of infection. The idea is that the graft will integrate with the tissue and vascularize. Those materials do not come from your own body though, and even much later, it would seem possible with infection."

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What leads you to believe that there is chance of infection much later after the procedure? It would seem to me that once fully integrated the chance of infection would be very low. @SO, have you heard anything on this?

I base my assumption solely on having browsed different galleries of reconstructive surgeries, and when it comes to AlloDerm it usually say it was removed due to infection, while when it comes to dermal fat graft it will say it was because of shrinkage. AlloDerm should usually integrate, as it is natural, however it is not your own tissue. As you say, there is chance of infection, although it is likely to be very low. This is in contrast to for example the Penuma implant, which is a totally foreign material, so the chance of infection would presumably be very high.

There are so many different dermal graft materials, and different surgeons in different countries will say one material is the best, so it is very hard to know which one is truly best. All these materials are supposed to integrate with the tissue and vascularize, so the concept is the same. It is just that one surgeon who uses AlloDerm says it is the best, another one who uses Surgimend says it is the best, and someone else says MegaDerm is the best, and so on.

Personally, I do not really think it matters. It is not that someone from Korea should travel to the USA just because AlloDerm is available there while only MegaDerm is available in Korea. I believe these materials are not so different like fillers, for example PMMA and HA. The two fillers are obviously very different, but I believe this is not the case if comparing for example MegaDerm and AlloDerm.

Dr. Solomon is often recommended for reconstructive surgery, for example removal of Penuma implants, so I think he is a very good choice. I believe the reason why so few surgeons offer these kinds of procedures is because it is much more complex than injecting a filler. In Europe and Asia, the surgeons I read about who do it are usually reconstructive surgeons or specialized in gender reassignment surgery.

As I understand it, infections are much less likely with dermal fat graft, but it is more common that they shrink. It seems that AlloDerm on the other hand can cause infection right after the surgery, or long after the surgery, and I assume Surgimend and MegaDerm are the same. With both dermal fat graft and AlloDerm/Surgimend/MegaDerm it seems very important that the result right after surgery is good.

With AlloDerm/Surgimend/MegaDerm it would seem that infection after insertion of the grafts is the most worrying issue, where the body rejects the graft, however it would seem even long after there is still a chance of infection. The idea is that the graft will integrate with the tissue and vascularize. Those materials do not come from your own body though, and even much later, it would seem possible with infection.

Dermal fat graft on the other hand, it comes from your own body, so infection or rejection would seem very unlikely. Immediately after surgery, there is risk of fat tissue fibrosis. Gradually the dermal fat graft should integrate with the tissue and receive a blood supply. Later on, instead of infection, the risk instead is of the graft dying due to loss of sufficient blood supply.

There are quite a few large studies that have been done on AlloDerm, dermal fat graft, and also BellaDerm. I am not sure about MegaDerm or Surgimend. You could look up those studies. Some of them were done in China, Serbia and the USA. Considering that you live in the USA, then Dr. Solomon would seem to be the best choice, both because of his reputation and because it seems there are extremely few surgeons performing such surgeries in the USA.

I am forever thankful that I found Phalloboards. I was literally scheduling my appointment with Elist when I stumbled across Phalloboards. I absolutely hate that these poor guys are having to go through this stuff.

In the complaint it's revealed that the man whose case set this all in motion had his procedure paid for by Master P (!!!) who was making a documentary with Elist.

...28.
Approximately two months later, Respondent's office called Complainant and invited him to enter a contest Respondent was running in which the winner would receive free penile enhancement surgery in exchange for appearing in a documentary on his progress. Respondent's office informed Complainant that the documentary was financed by rapper Percy Miller, also known as "Master P."
...32. Upon arriving at his hotel in Beverly Hills, Complainant participated in a pre-operative interview with Respondent and Master P about why he had selected Respondent's penile implant. According to Complainant, he was given scripted answers. At that meeting, Respondent, Complainant and Master P signed a contract stating that 1) Complainant would receive a penile implant and have his progress filmed; 2) Master P would pay for the procedure and documentary crew; and 3) Respondent would perform the procedure.
Complainant asked for a copy of the contract, but did not receive one

No documentary ever came out and my googling couldn't find any previous public connection between Master P and Elist. It doesn't seem like he's in any legal jeopardy but anyone who evangelized the Penuma and sought to profit off it deserves at the very least public shaming and I hope he gets it.

There was a popular singer from my country who claimed to have gotten an implant (like 10 years ago) and claiming to have gone to 10''. Never mentioned the name or where he got it. Since then, I've done my research and my thoughts are he's lying because penuma is the only 'implant' I found about and we know what it's like. The other ones are basically for ED and they don't provide any gains. So correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't anything one can do about length surgery-wise? Obviously ligamentosys or whatever it's called that basically adds something to your flaccid but very rarely anything to the BPEL.

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ivan808 wrote: I actually wish I had done Penumma. You get a 2'' girth increase and not-very-big chances of more length, but still an option and at least the girth is there and won't just vanish into thin air. Oh, and you instantly go to a shower... (I am aware of some of the cases about it here , the ones on reddit are different so I guess I've had a 50-50 chance of success there).

Here's the thing about the Penuma subreddit: anyone who gets their implant removed has their post removed from the sub. Because, you see, it's a forum for people who have the Penuma, not people who had it removed, there's a separate forum for that (r/penumaproblems). If you ignore all the times it goes horribly wrong, the Penuma works great every time!

I read their Reddit group for a while, and it is scary how convincing and legit everything seems, just like the website of Elist. It is like another "world".

There is even a doctor writing there who basically claims that Penuma surgeons are leading in the world, and he warned about how irresponsible other surgeons are for performing other surgeries instead of Penuma. According to him, 150 Penuma surgeries are performed each month.

He wrote that unlike him, those other surgeons not doing Penuma are not urologists, and being plastic surgeons they perform dangerous and supposedly prohibited surgeries.

Specifically he mentioned ligamentolysis, saying that it is a very dangerous surgery. The impression conveyed is that if something is not dangerous, then it is far inferior to Penuma.

I think the biggest proof that Penuma is not good is that it is not routinely performed around the world, and not only that, but it seems every other surgeon who had something to say about it said that a silicone implant is a very bad idea.

If it was good, it would be performed in Europe, Korea, Australia, and not just by those few surgeons in the USA.

Duplicating a silicone implant would be very easy too. I saw one website of a clinic in India that claimed to offer such a silicone implant made in India, so of course they could have invented their own silicone implant in for example Korea, if it was truly a good solution.

ivan808 wrote: I actually wish I had done Penumma. You get a 2'' girth increase and not-very-big chances of more length, but still an option and at least the girth is there and won't just vanish into thin air. Oh, and you instantly go to a shower... (I am aware of some of the cases about it here , the ones on reddit are different so I guess I've had a 50-50 chance of success there).

Here's the thing about the Penuma subreddit: anyone who gets their implant removed has their post removed from the sub. Because, you see, it's a forum for people who have the Penuma, not people who had it removed, there's a separate forum for that (r/penumaproblems). If you ignore all the times it goes horribly wrong, the Penuma works great every time!

ivan808 wrote: Thanks for your input. I've mentioned that most of my length has returned but I've been noticing a shocking loss of my girth gains in the past 2 weeks, and that is like 3-4 months post op where I'm not supposed to be losing any more. I hope it's EQ but I noticed in the beginning of this shrinking that my flaccid started getting thinner. Then the erect state followed. Now that I think of it, maybe my gains weren't so terrible at one point but you seem to appreciate things when you lose them. I don't know if Viagra will help to get to my 100% EQ because you need to be turned on to see the effects if I'm not wrong and when I'm in a state of depression for my size I have very low libido. And to skeptical, me talking about penuma likely reveals how desperate I really am. I went to the reddit and most have had a very big increase in girth but very few gained length which I think shows that their advertising is BS because before digging into real stories I thought you gain 1-2'' of length too and it seems like very few gain anything.

If it is really true that you had a shocking decrease in thickness, then where did the PMMA go? It cannot disappear, so it means it would have moved elsewhere in the body, and based on what I read about PMMA this is extremely unlikely.

What is more likely is like you say that you are depressed, causing a very low libido, and of course you will not have good erections then. Does it not make a lot more sense than the PMMA having somehow "disappeared"?

And about Penuma: everything I read about it is bad, including everything about silicone in the penis, no matter if it is an implant or injected into the penis.

Even with the most disastrous methods, you might have a good result initially, before it turns into a disaster. Silicone, paraffin and oil might look good before it turns into an inevitable disaster.

That kind of silicone implant is just not good. It has been around long enough, with so much negative publicity, so it is a fact that it is simply not a choice to even consider.

Because you have had PMMA, any other procedure is probably ruled out, but theoretically you could have considered something else like AlloDerm before having had PMMA.

However, the issue of a lack of girth increase with PMMA simply cannot be the case. Again, there must be another reason, most likely the low libido that you mentioned. You are depressed and stressed, and your erections are not good, so it looks like your girth has decreased, but this is not the case.

Thanks for your input. I've mentioned that most of my length has returned but I've been noticing a shocking loss of my girth gains in the past 2 weeks, and that is like 3-4 months post op where I'm not supposed to be losing any more. I hope it's EQ but I noticed in the beginning of this shrinking that my flaccid started getting thinner. Then the erect state followed. Now that I think of it, maybe my gains weren't so terrible at one point but you seem to appreciate things when you lose them. I don't know if Viagra will help to get to my 100% EQ because you need to be turned on to see the effects if I'm not wrong and when I'm in a state of depression for my size I have very low libido. And to skeptical, me talking about penuma likely reveals how desperate I really am. I went to the reddit and most have had a very big increase in girth but very few gained length which I think shows that their advertising is BS because before digging into real stories I thought you gain 1-2'' of length too and it seems like very few gain anything.

ivan808 was obviously making a joke about referral codes. Many websites use them, where you would add for example a mobile case to your shopping cart, enter a referral code and get a 5% discount and then the one whose referral code you used earns 5% in commission. Obviously, there are no referral codes for Penuma.

Anyway, in response to ivan808: I think we would really like to help you, and first you need to remind yourself that these kind of procedures have complications. As I often read, there can be some penile retraction, and supposedly it might take a few months for the penis to look longer again. There are also so many factors that can have an effect on the way your penis looks at one given time: underwear, cold water, erection quality, less blood flow, and so on.

Once you remember these things, you can try to think logically: is it really likely that my penis shrunk so much after I had a procedure that thickens the penis for everyone else? The solution is not to do new injections again and again, but rather that you are aware that the result is not perfect, second that it is unlikely that your result is very bad, and finally it is time to accept the result.

I also had many worries after my procedure, I had some complications, and not everything was satisfying. At times, it is easy to start to imagine things, like that a sudden slight pain is some really ominous sign, or that the penis will get smaller. I know for a fact however that the penis is different now, and for example before I had a lot of foreskin at the tip, but now the foreskin does not entirely cover the meatus, and then it might look like the penis has gotten shorter.

These are the kind of complications, worries and changes that one has to deal with. At the same time, I remind myself how many people had the same procedures, and why would I be the one to have some uniquely bad experience? I do not know if my post is helpful, but I hope you will be able to find some kind of balance in your way of thinking, which will make you feel less distraught.

Hyperbol wrote: It's crazy there are still trolls on here trying to promote Penumma.

There is literally a topic in the General Forum regarding the impending judgment of the medical license of Dr. Elist and his flawed penuma device... the fact that anyone would utter they "wished" they got it is reckless at best... however to each their own (I suppose).

With all due respect @ivan808 looking at your posting history it doesn't appear you've started a progress report on your case incident. It would have been very helpful to the community to share with us your issues and grievances, and I encourage you to start NOW rather than waiting on your subsequent appointments - I think it would not only be fair to your own story, but the topic in general.

Dermal filler enhancement is a multi-stage process, often requiring a total of 2 to 3 appointments to achieve both size and aesthetics. If you find yourself too hypercritical of your size (so much that you compare your results to a micro-penis), then you may want to get the bare minimum and move on, since I'm afraid no kind of phalloplasty will work. Especially given your comments about the penuma, I'm afraid you may not be the best candidate for these type of enhancements. My sincere recommendation would be to get your aesthetic irregularities smoothed out, don't go for anymore girth, and retire from male enhancement altogether. Take whatever girth you do manage to gain as a victory and move on.

I say this sincerely, given your past comment.

Skeptical_One wrote:

mjb0112358 wrote: CMB Complaints

This is big, I've been following this for a while now -- it appears now it's only a matter of setting a hearing to pass judgment. This may be when they finally lay the actual hammer down! We're talking straight up losing his medical license! HOLY!!!

I know so many visitors to this site have shared their horror stories about the silicone implant, dating back to this site's inception. Many newcomers may not know, but this industry has (and still does to some extent), questionable players & procedures. One of this forum's mission was to guard against unscrupulous medicine in the field of male enhancement, and I hope that this community's endeavor over the years played a part in seeing justice through.

I never understood it. He had to have known how flawed his device was. He could have decided to consider SO MANY other alternative ways to enlarge the penis. He could have dropped the implant many years ago, quit the B.S.ing and performed something more standardized & ethical like Hyaluronic Acid (HA) injections. But in the end, maybe he had no other way to fund his Ferrari lifestyle, who knows?

Of course nothing is set in stone right now but I'll be watching and reporting, thanks for the link @mjb0112358 !

The scary thing is that his website is so convincing, and if I had not known about him, I could easily have been fooled. He has been doing this procedure for so long, he managed to get it "approved" even, and he conveys the impression of being very experienced. Besides, he has a Beverly Hills practice, and it might sound silly but subconsciously it gives him extra "credibility". He also manages to convincingly highlight the supposed advantages of his procedure over all other procedures.

Of course, he must be well-aware how flawed his device is, and yet he continues earning money by doing these bad procedures. Worse yet, he has been doing it without impunity. It does however seem that some surgeons once they have "settled upon" a procedure, then they might stick to it, no matter how bad it turns out. After all, he could not suddenly admit it was a bad procedure, so he must keep up the farce of defending his unethical procedure.