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Have you guys heard of “Bocox” and “Bull-Tox”?

Bocox is botox injected into the corpus cavernosum, sometimes along with PRP. It iis meant as an E.D. treatment, but there are anecdotal reports that it helped with length increase, probably due to more blood flow.

Bull Tox is a botox injection to the base of the penis near the scrotum into the specific muscle responsible for contracting the penis. It helps give you a “hang” and because of the increased blood flow, it also helps with erections a bit.

Had anyone tried these procedures? What results, if any, did you see in terms of EQ improvement, hang size and overall size increase?

Great question! From Dr. Carney:

These kinds of Botox injections don’t really help with size. What they do is prevent the penis from turtling inward. So, if you’re turtling, yes it technically helps increase length because it stops the turtling from happening, but the Bocox/Bull-Tox won’t make your penis bigger or longer.

I hope this helps! Good luck to you on your enlargement journey!

General Update: Day 2. I showed Heller the photos and he said things are fine but schedule a follow up appointment next week for him to examine me. he said the swelling will go down in 3 weeks and the shape will finalize after about 4 weeks. When I asked about the filler bunching in the middle he said dont do anything, just use ointment for irritation.

So far I have used those first aid wraps to wrap it up and keep it extended (though I have trouble keeping it fully extended, I can only manage to keep it 3.5- 4 inches). which I guess isnt that terrible given my length is 5 inches but especially right now Im having issue with the head turtling so to speak so the filler near the glans stars going over the foreskin (im curcumsized) so i keep trying to pull it out a bit. I fear Im gonna get the pigs in a blanket look. I had that with Loria's treatment for like 2 weeks until the swelling went down. Except I always thought Silicone Oil swelling was going to be much more severe and last longer than HA Filler induced swelling so I thought it shouldn't be this bad. How long do I keep this wrapped? a week? Heller doesnt advocate or have any guidance on this.

In my follow up, would anyone recommend asking him to remove some of the filler near the glans? I have attached a pre Heller (also pre urologist ) image of what the foreskin looked like before I went to Heller. Personally, even though it looked wrinkled it seemed more natural when flaccid. Thoughts?

Now that was cool, i accidentally posted my reply in that thread, realized it, went back to look for a delete button, edited it to add some text saying "trying to delete", and the post deleted itself!

Any way, what I'd posted....

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Went through those recently actually! Couple of weeks ago.
I've been going down a rabbit hole to the point I'm reasonably convinced #3 is my affliction www.rejuvall.com/turtling-syndrome/
I have cortisol issues triggered by iron issues (which is a gut health problem I haven't yet figured out; work in progress!). I don't have any generalized anxiety but I think my body may well have adapted to some degree. When I do manually stretch after not very long there's a STRONG tugback reflex, an involuntary hard kegel that's fairly persistent, one negative side of which is likely a hypertonic pelvic floor.

There is also "scrotox" for a better hanging scrotum.

On a separate note, two great videos put out by Rejuvall that helps explain both reasons and solutions for turtling (i.e. growers) --> Turtling Syndromes Part 1 & 2

I would strongly recommend watching both these videos: Rejuvall's Urological Explanation for why you might be a Grower, and How to Possibly Fix It.

itgoesthud wrote:

Dickwhitman79 wrote: Also curious if after the HA dissolves and metabolizes in the future If the penis returns to its original state or is the stretched skin create permanent “softness”.

I am a sample size of 1, but:
Near as I can tell my actual skin is permanently thicker even after the HA has all been absorbed. As a result, when I retract, i still look like i have a super short, super fat, uncircumcised dick, whereas before it looked like an accordion. Of course, when I'm not turtling, it just...looks like a dick. Right now I'm sick and taking sudafed so it looks like someone crammed a strawberry in an olive!

No softness to speak of, however, no squish, no give, my dick could still destroy drywall when I'm aroused.

Until I got sick pregnenolone seemed to help my retraction reflex, but honestly i think that's what's killing guys like us, not the filler, the reflex. We fix that, we fix the problem.
And really I'd rather my turtled dick look like this than an acorn on a slinky.

Haha this is a great description. So after all the HA dissolved would you say you retained a little bit of girth permanently?

Dickwhitman79 wrote: Also curious if after the HA dissolves and metabolizes in the future If the penis returns to its original state or is the stretched skin create permanent “softness”.

I am a sample size of 1, but:
Near as I can tell my actual skin is permanently thicker even after the HA has all been absorbed. As a result, when I retract, i still look like i have a super short, super fat, uncircumcised dick, whereas before it looked like an accordion. Of course, when I'm not turtling, it just...looks like a dick. Right now I'm sick and taking sudafed so it looks like someone crammed a strawberry in an olive!

No softness to speak of, however, no squish, no give, my dick could still destroy drywall when I'm aroused.

Until I got sick pregnenolone seemed to help my retraction reflex, but honestly i think that's what's killing guys like us, not the filler, the reflex. We fix that, we fix the problem.
And really I'd rather my turtled dick look like this than an acorn on a slinky.

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itgoesthud wrote: re: bellafill vs linnea, for me personally, and my dick, on paper at least the linnea carrier absorbing quickly is a GOOD thing
You look like you didn't turtle really at all before any procedures; you went from a normal hanging flaccid with minimal retraction before any filler, to a massive hanging flaccid
My flaccid is going to look stupid regardless, and I'm ok with that, because my retraction reflex is ridiculous, I could winch a bass boat onto a trailer with this thing. Probably a hypertonic pelvic floor thing, but either way...I think maybe the ideal product may depend on retraction reflex? Again, only on paper, I'm still plotting and scheming my next.

The longer I'm waiting on the carrier to be absorbed and PMMA spheres to set, the longer I have to be paranoid about retraction, the more opportunity i have for my junk to do the scared turtle and screw up my results. If it's pretty well set in a week, my megaturtling self doesn't have to walk around in a weenie straight jacket 24/7.

Whereas a dude who hangs normally and doesn't have to be paranoid about retraction is going to be able to mold and shape in a somewhat elongated state to get the exact result he wants with a slower absorbing carrier

This sound logical?

I understand your logic, but as a fellow retractor, I prefer the Bellafil. My logic is that is does seem to last longer and is more slowly assimilated into the system, which helps reduce retraction during the assimilation process. With all three Linnea procedures, I always felt I was battling retraction and having to wear a giant weight ball with a noose, or wear a PeniMaster with leg strap, or fashion wraps or bandage tubes to help keep the form and symmetry but also to reduce retraction. Even with scrotox and phallox. But with my Bellafill procedure, I never once did any of those things. I did not have scrotox or phallox injections. I never wore a weight ball or my PeniMaster. I only wore a bandage and wrap the first day or two, but that was because of the bleeding. I simply didn't retract nearly as much as I did with Linnea and I chalk that up to 1) the sheer volume of product I received, and 2) the rigidity of the product itself, Bellafill.

I like both products and had great results with both products. I would use either product going forward. If I had to pick just one, it would be Bellafill. But again, both are great products and you won't go wrong either way.

itgoesthud wrote: If you're a megaturtler like me, this is something that might be worth investigating in advance of your trip:
phalloboards.info/forum/dr-casavantes-dr...very.html#1308715525

I have a practitioner nearby that does "Bocox", which I plan to do in advance of any PMMA trip.

A lot of my turtling comes from stimulants - adderall (even at 5mg), nicotine pouches, coffee etc. I plan to cut all of that out one week before my procedure and the weeks following. Biggest concern is that crucial 72 hours post procedure but I’ll be diligent with keeping myself in an ADS switching between the one provided by Avanti and the Penimaster glans cup that I use. Also putting some faith that I’ll be in the camp that reacts well to the provided flomax that is provided.

I did see your thread and it gives me a lot to think about. Going to see if I can swing a trip two weeks prior to my full procedure to knock out the dick and balls Botox and be back home in the same day (~3hr flight to SD each way). Unfortunately the procedure isn’t really affordable from what I’ve seen locally.

re: bellafill vs linnea, for me personally, and my dick, on paper at least the linnea carrier absorbing quickly is a GOOD thing
You look like you didn't turtle really at all before any procedures; you went from a normal hanging flaccid with minimal retraction before any filler, to a massive hanging flaccid
My flaccid is going to look stupid regardless, and I'm ok with that, because my retraction reflex is ridiculous, I could winch a bass boat onto a trailer with this thing. Probably a hypertonic pelvic floor thing, but either way...I think maybe the ideal product may depend on retraction reflex? Again, only on paper, I'm still plotting and scheming my next.

The longer I'm waiting on the carrier to be absorbed and PMMA spheres to set, the longer I have to be paranoid about retraction, the more opportunity i have for my junk to do the scared turtle and screw up my results. If it's pretty well set in a week, my megaturtling self doesn't have to walk around in a weenie straight jacket 24/7.

Whereas a dude who hangs normally and doesn't have to be paranoid about retraction is going to be able to mold and shape in a somewhat elongated state to get the exact result he wants with a slower absorbing carrier

This sound logical?

I am currently sitting around 0.5 inch gain in girth from my bellafill procedure, and can confirm this also added around 0.5 inches in flaccid length hang which is a huge aesthetic benefit from my perspective. I am not turtling nearly as often and when I do it’s less. I am only 2 weeks out though so this all may change, but so far I’m super happy with the results from Rupeka.

Chip2th wrote: The doctor I’ve been chatting with is concerned if more than 10-12 cc of HA are used the result can be considered too spongey feeling. I’m going with Volux, supposed to be slightly more firm.

I had 15cc volux back in Nov2021. It was un-squishy enough that I struggle to remember what my dick originally felt like. As in, I think any issues I had were psychosomatic
I still have some residual in fact, though, some of it may just be my skin having stretched out? I know the docs here have said that's not likely but the skin definitely feels like it's...thicker? Where turtling used to mean an accordion effect, now it's a gumdrop receding into a marshmallow - and again this is 2+ years later. I would say it's otherwise undetectable.

I'm high 7's BPEL when I have a peak rager so it would have to a degree been spread out along a longer-ish shaft.

Would not hesitate to go the volux route again, and I'm one who opts for authenticity over stats/size. If my junk looks or feels fake, I'm not interested. Come time I think next is PMMA for me.

HorndogJim wrote: The Botox increased the hang by 5mm in the general relaxed hang state, but did nothing to change the fully retracted state in exercise, and didn’t increase the length in its most relaxed (5.5”) state either, it just shunted the most common state up a bit. Basically when I got it out to pee it was just a touch more lengthy and relaxed for about three months. If it was super cheap I’d keep doing it but using Androfill (and their pricing is on par, 100 units of Botox is a lot compared to facial cosmetic work) that would be nearly £5k a year for a pretty small and very temporary gain.

So you’ll probably find that it does have a mild improvement in your day to day walking hang, and with the weight of fillers that might be enhanced further, but it’s probably not going to completely prevent the occasional short and fat state from arising. If you have the funds and are willing to repeat it every three months it’s worth a try, you may respond differently and better than I did. It does also last longer in some individuals, and I suspect exercising a lot probably depletes it faster.

Incidentally the experience you describe of retracting and it compressing the filler into a short fat area is one of my main hesitations about getting fillers. Would be keen to see that if you have pictures and are willing to share via dm. How do you deal with it, presumably just shake it out a touch? The whole ‘looking bigger in the locker room’ thing is slightly undermined though if it looks ‘off’. Keen to hear your thoughts.

I would be using it purely with the expectation that it's temporary - I just need it to keep me unretracted while fillers set and do their thing, so they don't bunch up when I turtle. The guys who hang low and loose tend to have better outcomes with filler so if I could attain that temporarily I'd have a similar success, is the thinking at least.

As for appearance - I'll muster up the courage at some point but...put a gumdrop on a marshmallow, that's my dick half the time! Absolutely nobody is seeing me in that state so I could care less. I can shake it out and get a temporary reprieve but if I was sitting around with a dick full of pmma the less I retract the better. So if it's a significant reduction in turtling it's worth doing it in advance I'd think

Skeptical_One wrote: Both applications have been in use (whether independently or in conjunction) for some time now. The botox will allow the penis to hang better flaccid (albeit for a short duration of a few months), and the PRP is often combined with girth enhancement due to its healing & growth factors.

This combination alone isn't something I'd rely on for girth enhancement, but perhaps dealing with retraction/turtling. As a matter of fact, I'd call it gimmicky once it decided to compare its P-Shot 100 vs the original P-Shot, like nothing is really being done to increase penis size in the grand scheme of things.

However, if such shots were included in a Protocol, much like the P-Long (that already employs the PRP injections), it could be beneficial in theory (?).

I've been looking into this recently, practitioners combining the "bocox" procedure, which uses 100 units of botox (thus the '100') with the PRP shot. There's one up the road from me
(literally, like a mile) that does it. Lots of hype around relaxation of smooth muscle, so i guess it could potentially improve EQ and make for a better flaccid hang? So says the sales pamphlet at least (figuratively, ive not seen an actual pamphlet, just google hype)

My curiosity is mainly around if this would be something useful to do for someone who's a mega-grower /in advance of/ someone doing a dermal filler, giving the injector an easier time. So for example, go get your botox, wait 8 weeks, go get PMMA at your biggest flaccid size.