TOPIC: Is the 6" EG Goal truly ideal?

BigDecision77 wrote: Part of the reason why us men get these surgeries and scour these websites is because women dont know how hurtful it is to discuss prior exes penis sizes.

That\'s essentially true. I cannot think of a man who doesn\'t badly want to be the biggest his loved one has ever had. Society is still in it\'s infancy regarding understanding this taboo, and it\'s psychological implications on men. We\'re still at a joking stage, like there is a collective discomfort and quick, humorous dismissal. G-d bless boards like this and the PE boards, for acting as a quasi-therapist for us all.

8by8 wrote:

BigDecision77 wrote: Part of the reason why us men get these surgeries and scour these websites is because women dont know how hurtful it is to discuss prior exes penis sizes.

That\'s essentially true. I cannot think of a man who doesn\'t badly want to be the biggest his loved one has ever had. Society is still in it\'s infancy regarding understanding this taboo, and it\'s psychological implications on men. We\'re still at a joking stage, like there is a collective discomfort and quick, humorous dismissal. G-d bless boards like this and the PE boards, for acting as a quasi-therapist for us all.

I don\'t actually want to be the biggest. Lets say a womans pleasure in relation to penis size is plotted on a graph, I want to be at the top of the curve, before it starts to go down, as the penis becomes too big and the pleasure turns to discomfort and pain. Obviously this is different for all women, but generally speaking, for both Girth and length, I suspect it\'s lower than we think.

Obviously your GF is different, but for most women, in my experience I\'d say a length of no more than 7\" is optimal, maybe even 6.5\". Yet I bet most guys would say they\'d want 8\". But in the case of most women you can\'t really grind pubic bone to pubic bone with 8\" and that is, in my experience, the most important thing. In terms of Girth much depends on the age and if they\'ve had children. But I\'d say optimum is between 5.5\" and 5.75\", yet most guys, especially at this crazy place, would say about 6.5\".

Let\'s not forget the \"psychological effect\" when a woman \"sees\" a bigger penis, it seems in most cases, women are attracted to bigger penises and as a result most of them are sexually turned on by the \"thought\" of a bigger penis inside them. It may hurt them or it may not since they are mentally wanting to try it. but the reaction is there already. And most men react to the women \"reactions\" and as a result we, men, want that bigger penis...

there is no doubt in my mind, having gone from about 5\" Girth to over 7\" Girth, that Girth is favorable to most women more than length. Of course length does matter but to a lesser extent. As H10 said, 6.5\" Erect length is great for most women. Girth on the other hand, my own experience tells me that 6\" near the glans to 7\" at the base is a great combo...again this is my experience..YMMV

I honestly feel boards like this ultimately end up enticing more guys to have PE surgery and are anything but therapeutic. Sure everyone says its dangerous, and you should not do it, but almost all of have already had it done, or are in the process of planning to have it done. It is a subtle but powerful form of subconscious programming. The message is clear, a larger penis will make you a happier person. This is how you can get a larger penis.. You do not even realize you are being pulled further and further into this unhealthy obsession.

We can talk all day long but actions speak louder than words. Many of you will disagree with me but guys bragging about their larger size and then posting pics really does a huge disservice to new guys who don\'t understand how much of a gamble this is.

If you really want improve your self image without PE I think it would be best to work on self improvement that does not involve your penis.

Bigben wrote: I honestly feel boards like this ultimately end up enticing more guys to have PE surgery and are anything but therapeutic. Sure everyone says its dangerous, and you should not do it, but almost all of have already had it done, or are in the process of planning to have it done. It is a subtle but powerful form of subconscious programming. The message is clear, a larger penis will make you a happier person. This is how you can get a larger penis.. You do not even realize you are being pulled further and further into this unhealthy obsession. We can talk all day long but actions speak louder than words. Many of you will disagree with me but guys bragging about their larger size and then posting pics really does a huge disservice to new guys who don\'t understand how much of a gamble this is. If you really want improve your self image without PE I think it would be best to work on self improvement that does not involve your penis.

This is pretty true of the Internet in general. The point you make about this board is certainly true though and something that\'s been discussed a few times before. Personally I know for sure my self esteem certainly isn\'t helped by reading the posts here. To be fair there is a hell of a lot of stuff posted to try and make guys aware of the dangers and point of how warped our perceptions are, but they aren\'t the things the resonate when we read. The things that stick in our minds are those that confirm our insecurities and further fuel our desire to be bigger.

Interestingly this board is far, far worse for these kind of \"offenses\" than any of the previous PE surgery boards. This suggests to me it\'s more to do with the zeitgeist, than anything we at PhalloBoards have done. We are simply being over loaded with toxic messages telling us we need to look better, have a full head of hair, low body fat and so on. Porn has certainly warped people\'s perceptions. Access to it over the last few years and the focus on penis size has had an insane effect on the male psyche and I think this is why our members seem to have more warped size perceptions than those of previous boards. I know porn has always been around, especially on the internet, but with the rise of companies like Brazzers and sites like youjizz etc, it\'s now a everyday event for guys to watch porn, where the male lead will make John Holmes look tiny.

Don\'t forget that women go thru the same BS we go thru..their looks, their tits, their weight, and so on.. So, we have a fucked up society, men want larger penises and women want larger boobs and smaller waist!!

Now, would I want to sleep with a 180 lbs woman, shit, 160 lbs woman to prove to my self that I am not being \"programmed\" by our society that slim women are desirable? Heck no freaking way...I want a slim, young beautiful tight vagina lady...We ALL do...is it right? may be no, but it is the reality of our social status!

Hoddle, you said it much better than me thanks. I agree there are many other negative influence besides PhalloBoards.

BTW, I would consider a 180lb woman unhealthy, so I don\'t think that is a good example. But yes social programming does extend way beyond penis size. Ultimately though, you do have a choice of what you absorb, who you hang out with, ect..

To see where you stand ask yourself, would my life be better right now if I spent the last x weeks/months/years doing something else productive, as opposed to PE research.. If the answer is yes, it is time to revisit priorities.

I\'d hate to think this forum is a negative influence, but it all depends on how you read the information that floats around here.

I created this forum for a variety of reasons, but never had the intent of perpetuating the insecurities that society\'s bestowed upon us.

At the end of the day, if I could wish for one thing, it would be that every man has a permanent, unchangeable 7x6...... so that his competition with other men would rely solely on intelligence, charm, looks, humor, resources, and personality. But, not surprisingly, my ideals are far beyond realistic.

I should also note, one of the main reasons for the inception of this forum was so that men of under-average (or small) size could find tolerable options if they happened to be adversely affected by their endowments - but this forum has clearly taken on a much different form than intended. It is what it is.

This forum has given many people: hope, support, encouragement, information about PE and so many other good things. IF, as a by product, some of its readers wanted to have bigger penises and went out too much by some one else\'s standards, then that is their choice.

How many people has this site saved so far from elist and loria? think about it...

The data on this site has helped its readers and even some of the PE doctors to improve their methods and in return, our members got the benefits.

Now, is the 6\" Girth the ideal Girth? not for me!

I totally understand all your points, and in essence I agree. Perhaps there are some users whose issues have a different solution. But not me. I\'m very content with nearly every other aspect of who and what I am, especially the intangible side of things. I\'m just driven to be the absolute be all end all I can be for this woman, and for myself. I\'m very competitive, and deeply despise not being the best or relative best at anything i have genuine passion for. And the physical act of love is definitely one of those things. If that insane drive to be the biggest/best/greatest to my GF requires paying an extremely competent surgeon thousands of dollars to cut some ligaments, and move some skin, that is what I\'ll do. Not at her request (not by any means, she is enthralled with me in all ways), but at my own insistence to accomodate her past her own desires and wants.

I also fully agree it\'s an unhealthy obsession, but not that unhealthy. I think a man\'s drive to be the greatest he can be is, even at it\'s extremes, admirable and to some degree healthy, even when society deems it unhealthy. I\'ve been called (for other reasons) an extremist, a MAXIMIZER, an enthusiast, all those sorts of tags. And i have absolutely zero desire to change these traits. in my honest opinion, they are time consuming, and at times frustrating, but in almost every circumstance, it has in the end proven an advantageous trait.

Just my .02

Bigben wrote: I honestly feel boards like this ultimately end up enticing more guys to have PE surgery and are anything but therapeutic. Sure everyone says its dangerous, and you should not do it, but almost all of have already had it done, or are in the process of planning to have it done. It is a subtle but powerful form of subconscious programming. The message is clear, a larger penis will make you a happier person. This is how you can get a larger penis.. You do not even realize you are being pulled further and further into this unhealthy obsession. We can talk all day long but actions speak louder than words. Many of you will disagree with me but guys bragging about their larger size and then posting pics really does a huge disservice to new guys who don\'t understand how much of a gamble this is. If you really want improve your self image without PE I think it would be best to work on self improvement that does not involve your penis.

Mustang2020 wrote: Now, is the 6\" Girth the ideal Girth? not for me!

Exactly, different people will have different goals or ideals. It\'s silly to think there is one finite standard for anything.

If a woman complains that a man is too big, we feel that we are simply incompatible. Yet if we are told we are too small, we feel inadequate. Being Incompatible doesn\'t have an effect on how we feel of view our self worth. But to feel inadequate is soul destroying. Effectively the problem is the same as, too big or too small, the result is unsatisfying sex for the woman. But from a man\'s point of view, though the result is the same, how it effects us is purely dependent on what side of the size problem you fall on.

It\'s odd when you think about it like that, but it\'s true. I doubt anyone here would be at all emotionally effected if a women rejected them for being too big. In fact it would probably give some of us a brief moment of euphoria! We\'d certainly not get all depressed, suffer feelings of self loathing and rush of to find a internet forum where they discuss penis reduction. Yet be rejected for being too small, or even just think we might be too small and well.....here we are!

8by8 wrote: ...It almost killed me when she saw my Flaccid of 6.5\" long and about 6\" around the first time when sneaking into the shower at her place, and she said it was average...

i could definitely see myself becoming a surgery/supplement addict, after stepping into the porn world, on a quest to be bigger than mandingo and Napier. I\'ve always been a competitive perfectionist, and I want to be the biggest for my current GF, and I guess the biggest period. It\'s an ovsession cast upon me by society, and I\'m going to attempt to beat it at it\'s own game, not settle for not being the biggest.
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So you have a GF who has a vjj that is so large she could perform in a TJ donkey show without breaking a sweat. This is not typical of most women.

You are then somehow placing blame on your desire to have the biggest Dick on society. That is your hangup, it has nothing to do with society.

Bottom line, you and maybe your GF don\'t think 6\" is large but the link SO posted is correct, for most women 6\" EG will be much bigger than they would find comfortable.

hoddle10 wrote: If a woman complains that a man is too big, we feel that we are simply incompatible. Yet if we are told we are too small, we feel inadequate. Being Incompatible doesn\'t have an effect on how we feel of view our self worth. But to feel inadequate is soul destroying. Effectively the problem is the same as, too big or too small, the result is unsatisfying sex for the woman. But from a man\'s point of view, though the result is the same, how it effects us is purely dependent on what side of the size problem you fall on.

It\'s odd when you think about it like that, but it\'s true. I doubt anyone here would be at all emotionally effected if a women rejected them for being too big. In fact it would probably give some of us a brief moment of euphoria! We\'d certainly not get all depressed, suffer feelings of self loathing and rush of to find a internet forum where they discuss penis reduction. Yet be rejected for being too small, or even just think we might be too small and well.....here we are!

You make such a good point! That is exactly how I would view that situation.

Too big = unsatisfying sex for girl + thoughts of euphoria and superiority.
Too small = unsatisfying sex for girl + thoughts of inadequacy and self loathing (inferiority).

-| Just above average
-| Average = Satisfying sex for girl + All the good feelings.
-| Just below average

Both top situations suck for the girl. In fact, the too big situation may even cause pain and soreness for her. The three alternative situations in actuality would be ideal for all parties... its too bad some of us are so twisted in our logic (myself included).

eqstudent wrote:

8by8 wrote: ...It almost killed me when she saw my Flaccid of 6.5\" long and about 6\" around the first time when sneaking into the shower at her place, and she said it was average...

i could definitely see myself becoming a surgery/supplement addict, after stepping into the porn world, on a quest to be bigger than mandingo and Napier. I\'ve always been a competitive perfectionist, and I want to be the biggest for my current GF, and I guess the biggest period. It\'s an ovsession cast upon me by society, and I\'m going to attempt to beat it at it\'s own game, not settle for not being the biggest.
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So you have a GF who has a vjj that is so large she could perform in a TJ donkey show without breaking a sweat. This is not typical of most women.

You are then somehow placing blame on your desire to have the biggest Dick on society. That is your hangup, it has nothing to do with society.

Bottom line, you and maybe your GF don\'t think 6\" is large but the link SO posted is correct, for most women 6\" EG will be much bigger than they would find comfortable.

As much as I relish the anonymity of the internet for discussion of taboos, and the relative freedom and ease of such convos, here is where the internet\'s anonymity is a downside. I resent the utter lack of class with you speaking about my GF. She\'s a truly wonderful girl, great socially, morally, and intellectually. We\'re both actually kind of conservative (by 2012 standards and our age group) in the areas of promiscuity. She\'s just had some very tall, athletic boyfriends who had very large endowments. You\'d never dare say such a grotesque thing in my presence. I hope you have more reservation in real life.