TOPIC: PMMA or Belladerm w/ Dr. R?

Quantum wrote: And I will not undergo PE surgery because it\'s not worth the pain and problems that come with PE surgery.

So why in the world are you still here on these forums?

And I agree with Messageman, back up your baseless claims as your current comments are nothing short of fear mongering. You provide this forum not one bit of information, service, or insight, and if anything, only serve to cheapen the discussion. There are hundreds of men who have undergone this trending PMMA procedure, and it\'s almost an injustice to put them through further anxiety just so you can offer some vague opinions. There are members who raise legitimate concerns citing some sort of evidence, anecdotal or empirical, you provide neither. I\'m quite frankly tired of your useless posts and one more mindless, baseless posting will result in a ban.

I\'m usually the first to caution men about undergoing Phalloplasty (including PMMA), but do so with some sort of reasoning. You seem to be devoid of this.

messageman wrote: Bones I have had a dermal graft that has lasted over 15 years (knock on wood). That being said, the vast majority of reports on our PE board and others are not this successful. In fact, infection, absorption, retraction, etc are not only only possible, but the norm. If I had to do it over again with the information I have now, I would never have taken the chance.

Hi Messageman, Congrats! 15 years is pretty good. From what I hear, it seems like if your in good health the chances of the graft surviving are much better.

Can you tell me what kind of graft you had installed? From post surgery has it absorbed or hardened at all? Which Dr.? One incision or two?

You\'ve had a graft that has lasted 15 years, it must have given you extra Girth & confidence but, You say, \"with the information you have now, you wouldn\'t take the chance.\" Why? Can you elaborate on this?

I\'m just trying to get as much info as I can, I really appreciate your feedback. Thanks!

Hi Bones
I had the graft taken from the crease in my buttocks. It absorbed for the first few years a bit, but then it stabilized, leaving me with about an Inch gain. So far it hasn\'t hardened.
It definitely gave me lots of confidence and improved my sex life dramatically. If you read my thread (Messageman\'s Journey), Chapter 7 details my graft experience.
I wouldn\'t do it again because I have read about countless dermal graft failures these last few years. When I did it, it was basically pitched to me that it was almost risk free and guaranteed to be permanent. I now know that doctors are not to be taken at their word.
I consider myself to be very lucky with my outcome.
Best of luck with your decision.

Hi, Your comment, \"It definitely gave me lots of confidence and improved my sex life dramatically.\" Really makes me want to take the leap of faith because I\'m an optimist & in very good health. But,.. still on the fence. I\'ll look for your thread to find out more.

Thank you for sharing, messageman!

Best of luck Bones

I thought I\'d give an up date on my situation, as over the last few weeks there have been some changes. Well these changes actually started taking place a couple of months ago, but at first I thought I was being paranoid. However, having slept with my ex wife last week, it confirmed I was going crazy and that the top left section of the graft is starting to feel stringy and a small curve is appearing there. I didn\'t mention to my ex wife that I thought the graft was deteriorating but she noticed and commented anyway.

So there is no way I will be going back for a second graft. To been honest I\'m pretty angry, as from what I\'ve read on here over the past few weeks I do now feel as if Dr R lied to me. I also feel pretty stupid. I used to post on MNS under the username of \"littewoody.\" I was quite outspoken at times and dismissive of the choices of others, as I felt that Dr R and Belladerm was by far the best choice. I was firmly in the same camp as another poster called Yardstick and was also inspired by Soma. In the last few weeks I\'ve read that much of Soma\'s graft absorbed and Yardstick had a terrible experience of losing the graft and length. Today I\'ve been reading about a member called Justave who seems to have similar issues to me. Oh and I\'m not a smoker and am in good physical health.

PMMAPossibly....Thanks for your post... Keep us posted.

Thanks for sharing & sorry to hear pmmapossibly. Wow so, your ex notice the \"stringy feeling & curve\" or just noticed absorption overall? Do you think you will go for PMMA now?

I\'m currently 6.3elx5.5mseg but, I have been a longtime pumper & can get to 6.2-6.5 temporarily, especially when using a ring. But, I\'ve gotten use to the extra Girth after pumping & always pumping before having sex w/ my girlfriend. (who has no idea, btw) We\'ve been together only a year & since she\'s known me she\'s been getting the pumped up me. But, now she\'s used to the Girth & I\'m so TIRED of being concerned about pumping to be ready for action. LOL

So, I wanna make a move on either PMMA or Bella soon but, I\'ve been going back & forth over the past few weeks. I was starting to lean toward Bella w/ DR. R but Lately, I\'ve been thinking the $7.5K, intense surgery, major post recovery & now pmmapossibly\'s experience with DR R is kinda scaring me away from Bella. Plus of course the possibility that it could all be for nothing if it absorbs.

Then, watching notsureyet82\'s recent PPMA journey in RD1 makes me think PMMA looks much easier, its less ca$h & at this point I\'m only looking to get to 6\" mseg so, maybe one Round will do it for me. PMMA seems to have been in use pretty extensively in cosmetic surgery for years now & after reading about Paso blowing up his bi-ceps w PMMA.. Now I\'m seriously leaning toward PMMA but, just scared of the long term unknown.. Help!..

@bones, you don\'t need a PE procedure. You have a great size already. Stick with the pumping. In a few years things will be much more clear regarding PMMA and you will be in a position to make a much more informed decision.

Only a couple of weeks ago you were wisely saying that PMMA wasn\'t an option for you at this stage. Nothing has changed since then has it? We haven\'t suddenly come across a few long terms studies of PMMA penis enhancement have we? It seems to me that you are trying to rationalize a decision to have PMMA simply because you\'ve realized that Belloderm isn\'t a great option. But only a couple of weeks ago you were clearly trying to rationalize your decision to have Belladerm. You were coming up with reasons to justify your decision, such as Dr R wouldn\'t have been in business for so long if it wasn\'t good (see Dr Elist and Rodney barron for your answer there). What you are doing is absolutely typical of a guy looking into PE. I\'ve done it myself and on more than one occasion. The truth is we are so keen to have a bigger penis that in reality we\'ve usually already made up our minds and instead of doing objective research, we research is a biased way, by asking questions that give us the answer we want (ie why has Dr been in business so long.)

You really aren\'t a good candidate for a PE procedure at this time. The surgical options are all pretty terrible. Why do you think other than Dr R, there are only a few other options in the entire US? Grafting and the penis simply don\'t mix well, as it\'s a dynamic organ. No matter what it used, by it an allograft, dermal graft or silicone implant, the problems relating to the fact sometime the penis is Flaccid and other times Erect will always be there. PMMA doesn\'t have this issue as it isn\'t grafted, but it is a foreign body and we know that in the past synthetic injectables have caused serious problems and often years later. Some guys don\'t have the luxury of waiting a few years to see how PMMA holds up, as their life is so negatively effected by the size of their genitals. But you do. You\'ve got a great size penis and a GF. Why take the risk? Keep pumping and wait it out a few years.

Hey bones, I have noticed that you mentioned me so I feel compelled to reply. I am going to have to agree with Hoddle here. I truly feel that with your current size you should hold out for a few more years and see how all of our PMMA penises are holding up. I have a real psychological problem with the size of my penis that I am hoping to solve, or at least improve, with these procedures. It is something that has been a source of shame and embarrassment to me on a daily basis for the majority of my life. I am happy with my results so far, but as Hoddle said I have taken an enormous risk and only time will tell if I will regret my decision. I understand the strong desire to have a bigger penis, but you are already above average. I am happy that you are following my progress and really appreciate your support. If you do decide to proceed we will be here for you, but don\'t go into it with tunnel vision. Inform yourself fully and do not ignore the bad. There is the possibility that if you have any of these procedures you may have a descent or horrible outcome and if the latter you could lose the use of your penis permanently. If that is something that you can live with then you may be a candidate for PE now, otherwise don\'t risk it. Hope this helps. Best of luck to you whichever you decide!!

Hoddle10 you are 100% right, I\'ve already made up my mind & I\'m doing biased research looking for the answers I wanna hear. And like you notsureyet82, I have a psychological problem about my penis that I\'m sure was started by being exposed to hard core porn when I was a young boy. When I was like 11 or 12 years old me & my friend found his dad\'s huge porn mag collection & it changed me. Soon we started selling & trading the magazines out to the older neighborhood boys like crack so, I became a porn broker at 12 years old.

Since then I was always conscious about my size & had locker room phobia & the fear of being caught turtled up in a cold shower plagued me. As a teen during my first sexual experiences I remember being so conscious of my size feeling inadequate that I had trouble staying hard. I was trying to live up to the images of the porn stars in my head & it caused me problems. By my mid 20s I eventually got over that (but, not totally) & had many healthy relationships but, still never felt I was the stud I wanted to be.

When I discovered pumping it gave me the temporary feeling of feeling studly. Part of it for me is like Sizemic\'s reasons, the sex becomes like porn, it turns me on. Its NOT really about pleasing a woman, its about feeling manly. But, like I said I\'am really tired of being concerned about pumping & the purple Dick its given me. My GF decided to date a \"stud\" / the \"pumped me\", I\'m sure she would be slightly disappointed to find out the truth. Not to mention my GF wants to take a vacation together & the first thing I\'m thinking is how am I gonna pump? or what if customs pulls my pump outta my suitcase! Lol

Oh btw I measured myself last night with a real fabric flexible tape measure instead of the spring loaded steel tape measure I was using & I was disappointed to find I\'m actually 5.25 mseg (the widest part.) I can turtle pretty bad too, I thought maybe with the extra weight of PMMA or a graft it would minimize the Turtling. Yes I know I\'m average & my problems are psychological but, they are deep & have had a negative effect on my life & the image of myself. So, still considering the risk...

Thanks for the comments & support guys.

*edit. thinking back, I was about 12yrs old.

@bones

Your Girth is well above average. LMFAO at you being the neighborhood \"porn broker\".

BTW bones...

Posted by EQStudent:

Here is a table I used as a starting point ~17 months ago. Wow does time fly.

Revised my post above: I rank the options from a risk/cost/result satisfaction perspective: Procedure: ranks the risk of the actual procedure as low, medium, or high. Risk short: ranks the short term risk which I define as < 180 days.Risk mid: ranks the medium term risk which I define as < 3 years.Risk long: ranks the short term risk which I define as >3 years.Cost: ranks the total cost of the procedure. < $5K is low, $5K to $10K is medium > $10K is highResult: ranks the satisfaction with the outcome from my perspective. This is totally subjective based on my standard which is does the unit look or feel like “something” has been done to it. Product procedure Risk short Risk mid Risk long Cost ResultFFT medium low low low medium goodArtefill low low medium medium medium NANewPlastic low medium medium high low goodAlloderm high high low low high goodBellaDerm high high low low high excellentRepriza high high low low high NADermal high high low low high poorElist high high medium low high poorScaffold very high high low low high poor


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I am not sure I would change much today. Hope this helps you in your journey!

Good luck with your decision. __________________6.25\" EL x 4.75\" MEG, 5.0\" BEG Now Bigger!!

EQ failed to mention that the calculated \"Risks\" are also subjective. I\'ve seen excellent results from dermal patients (ask Messageman), PLGA scaffold patients, etc.

bones wrote: Thanks for sharing & sorry to hear pmmapossibly. Wow so, your ex notice the \"stringy feeling & curve\" or just noticed absorption overall? Do you think you will go for PMMA now?

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She asked \"what is that\" whilst giving me head! She was referring to the stringy texture on the left side of my shaft. I showed he the curve and she agreed it was starting bend \"like a bow\".

I\'m not going for PMMA. But please don\'t get Belladerm. With hindsight I feel like a made a fool of myself by being so blinded by my desire to be bigger. I clashed quite badly with Informed Decision Maker on MNS. I now wish I\'d listened to what he and others had to say. Listen to Hoodle, he is talking a lot of sense.

Great advice from Hoddle. Eloquently delivered, as usual.