TOPIC: PMMA in large amounts.... cost?

M7,

Almost all patients have gotten 10% or 30% lately so this excuse about mixing or titrating the 20% does not hold any water. 10% and 30% do not have to be mixed.

The letter said that all concentrations take a long time. He does not want to show you the syringes being filled because he is trying to hide something.

As you said in your previous message, you watched him fill the vial in front of you. We both know it did not take hours. He lied to CJ. Shame on him !

Yes I do consider dishonesty bad behavior especially from a physician who has guys trusting them with their penises.

Please stop making excuses for him. It helps no one

@Snoopy

Do you ask every doctor you visit to demonstrate to you the authenticity of the vaccine, implant, etc that they are going to be using on you? There is a process, and in a cosmetic medical practice that relies on fillers, that process is often done prior to appointments (similar to a restaurant\'s kitchen prepping certain dishes in the morning in preparation for the dinner shift). But I digress. You are obviously not going to be convinced of common sense, no matter how much more arrogant I sound.

You also said \"It is very suspicious,\" as well as a variety of other bizarre remarks, and I should remind you that you only registered yesterday having contributed nothing less than wild speculation. Why not actually read the threads on the old & new forums before entering a conversation that from all accounts, you\'re a virgin to?

This forum\'s inception began well before Dr. C was even known to exist. I\'ll stop at that, as I feel there is no reason to defend this forum... its contents speak for themselves.

By no means would I expect this, but if he cares to show me the \'filling station\' (lol) and I see stuff oozing one drop at a time into syringes slowly I could confirm for everyone. I\'m not sure of the viscosity and/or thickness of this substance...but it sounds reasonable that something could be so thick that it takes a while to withdraw from the source container, doesn\'t it?

But there is no reason to think there has been any dishonesty. You seem to have come up with some conspiracy theory and decided it\'s true, with zero evidence. You\'ve never prepared a bioplasty procedure in your life or seen it done. Yet somehow you\'ve concluded that Dr C is lying. It\'s frankly absurd. You claim it\'s not xenophobia, yet I find it hard to believe you\'d make the same accusations against an American or British Dr. People have filler procedures all the time and I\'ve never heard of anyone seeing the preparation. Mikehok had a cheek filler in my home town and he never saw the Dr mix the product with anesthetic and was only told about afterwards when he asked why it was so painless. As I said previously I\'ve had botox and never saw anything other than the needle. The last time I had it the Dr got the needle out of what looked like a fridge.

You say making excuses helps no one, but how does making totally unfounded accusations help anyone?

If Dr C is trying to hide something, then is it not totally fair to assume the same is true of most Dr\'s who use fillers, as from my experience what he is doing is no different to what I\'ve seen with other Dr\'s.

What benefit does he gain from claiming to be using the Brazilian brand PMMA? As I said it became a PhalloBoards concern based on the work of Dr\'s like Dr C. But if he had been using his own product all those years, then wouldn\'t it be safe to assume that we\'d all be demanding Dr C\'s own brand? If it wasn\'t for Dr C being so well regarded within the biplasty community, would anyone even be bothered about the brand? People care because the Dr himself appears to have had good results for many years using those products. If he\'d used his own products all those years then we\'d want them. He\'s free to use what ever brand he wants. You are making it sound as if people sought out PMMA penis enlargement using specifically NP or Metacril, but that isn\'t the case. I doubt anyone had even heard of those products prior to hearing of Dr C. I know I never had.

I just can\'t see what Dr C has done to make you so suspicious of him. There doesn\'t seem to be any reason for it. Hence it seems like pure xenophobia.

hoddle it is clever for you to accuse me of being racist and reference other doctors in order to draw attention away from Dr C\'s dishonesty. Lets not change the topic.

Read my posts over carefully, I never said anything the least bit racist. As I mentioned I live in a hispanic town and enjoy spending time with my neighbors.

I think ALL PE doctors should be held to a high standard which includes complete honesty regardless of what city they live in or where they were born. They are operating on your penis, this is not a flu shot !

You have failed to address the white elephant in the room:

WHY DOES DR C REFUSE TO LET PATIENTS WATCH HIM FILL THE SYRINGES ?

when we know based on M7\'s post.

10 AND 30% PMMA CAN BE LOADED INTO THE SYRINGE IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. NOT HOURS AS STATED IN THE BIG BEN LETTER !

finally,

WHY DID HE LIE TO CJ IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID HIS REQUEST TO WATCH HIM FILL THE VIALS, BY COMPLAINING IT TAKES LONGER THE THE PROCEDURE. A BLATANT LIE.

These are questions THE DOCTOR NEEDS TO ANSWER ON HIS OWN with new patients. No need for you to try to cover for him, or bring my reputation into this. At the end of the day, the one injecting your penis is the one you really need to trust, not me hoddle or anyone else here.

I am just trying to help other folks out. I do not wish any of you guys a bad outcome. But I would be very cautious of loria, elist, and Dr C. They all have been known to lie and conceal facts to new patients.

Snoopy wrote: hoddle it is clever for you to accuse me of being racist and reference other doctors in order to draw attention away from Dr C\'s dishonesty. Read my posts over carefully, I never said anything the least be racist. As I mentioned I live in a hispanic town and enjoy spending time with my neighbors. I think all PE doctors should be held to a high standard which includes complete honesty regardless of their race. You have failed to address the white elephant in the room. WHY DOES DR C REFUSE TO LET PATIENTS WATCH HIM FILL THE SYRINGES ? when we know based on M7\'s post. 10 AND 30% VIALS CAN BE EMPTIED QUICKLY. finally,

You don\'t know he refuses. Have you asked if it would be okay to come in early and watch the preparation process. Also you have no clue how long it takes him to fill the syringes.

You must have some experience of organisation and efficiency in whatever walk of like you are from. From a purely logistical point of view, surely it makes sense to have techs preparing prior to each procedure to cut down on time. I just can\'t see any reason here for you to be suspicious. It\'s as if you are actively looking for reasons, coming up with theories and deciding they must be true.

You say it\'s not xenophobia, if not where does this distrust of Dr C come from?

You must have seen how Dr\'s and procedures with poor track records get treated around here. Why do you think so many are prepared to travel to Mexico? If Dr C\'s procedure was proving to be as bad as the other options and he pushed it like other Dr\'s, then he\'d get the same treatment. But to date, I really can\'t see what he\'s done to be spoken about with such scorn.

It seems as if you\'ve joined the forum with the sole intention of being critical of the guy. Your first couple of posts aroused suspicion, so i checked you out and sure enough you\'d breached 3 rules we\'ve put in place to protect members from those who want to deliberately caused problems. But you weren\'t banned purely out of curiosity, to see what your intentions were.

I\'m still curious as to what your motivation is? As soon as I checked your IP address and email I knew your intentions weren\'t to research PE procedures. So what is it that makes you feel the need to post as you have?




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Fine ban me from the forum. What message does this say about forum truth and transparency ?? . Totally unfair, but not unexpected. I am glad big ben exposed the truth about Dr C\'s metacril deception. Likely you will never know what the guy is injecting.

IT should be very clear to others the mods will defend DR C regardless of how careless with facts or dishonest he is. He is caught in a blatent lie, and you just attack me and delete me, rather than address the REAL ISSUE.

I am sure others agree with me but do not want to post because they are scared.

I\'m still genuinely interested in what your motivation is. It\'s the only reason you weren\'t banned yesterday.

As for the message it sends about truth and transparency, it should be clear - be transparent and honest and you\'ll be well received and welcome. But be deliberately deceitful and you\'ll be banned. This is why we have forum rules, in order to protect members from people who wish to post in a dishonest way.

Hoddle if the patient does not keep the doctor honest, who will ?

Snoopy wrote: Hoddle if the patient does not keep the doctor honest, who will ?

But as far as I can see he hasn\'t been dishonest. You\'ve simply decided he has. We question Dr protocol on a regular basis, but you seem to have joined the forum with the sole intention and making unsubstantiated claims and somehow have concluded that they are true and thus you have been justified.

I\'m sorry but this makes no sense, so I\'m genuinely curious as to why you\'d do this. You are going to get banned and really I should have done so as soon as I became suspicious and checked your details. But I didn\'t simply because I don\'t get the sense you are a shill for another Dr. So I am curious as to what your motivation is? Maybe I\'m wrong and you are a classic shill, but I get the hunch you aren\'t and simply want to cause a bit of a stir. I don\'t get why that is. What made you go the the effort of joining, in the way you did, which takes more effort than the normal registration, just to make unfounded accusations? As I said you are going to be banned, if for some odd reason you feel like explaining yourself in one final post, I\'d personally be interested. It just seems like an odd thing to do.

I guess not.

Originally Posted by Snoopy
Hoddle if the patient does not keep the doctor honest, who will ?

Frankly I would be offended by all of this if I were Dr C. He is a doctor. If someone questioned my integrity I would ask them to leave. I don\'t need their business that bad. Either you trust the doctor that is going to operate on your most prized asset or you don\'t. It\'s senseless to bicker about it. If you have a problem with him, go get another doctor. That\'s your choice as an individual. But knock off the crap. Just sayin...

Okay guys cool down. Debate is good because it educates us more but this has gone to the point of accusations and that\'s not healthy. Dr. C seems legit and has many good reviews all over the internet, over a period of years. Let\'s leave Dr.C out of this, he has
spoken for himself.

Below is one of the posts from another website make me heal, that started this thread.


Can we please discuss how other clinics are offering penis breast buttock bioplasties cheap?

This is from makemeheal, some woman who had PMMA injections in her buttocks at Clinic Estetica where DR C used to work years ago.

I arrived in Tijuana yesterday after having a ridiculously long flight. Clinic Estetica has a van service which you have to pay for that picks you up from San Diego Airport and takes you to your hotel. My appointment was the next day so I began to get worried that I hadn\'t heard from them around 9:30.. Mind you I had no idea what time my appointment was I figured they would just call me.. I had trouble getting in touch with them but finally did and the lady who answered told me that my hotel was 3 blocks away and gave me the directions to walk there.. She ended up giving me the wrong directions and I walked around for about an hour then returned to my hotel to call them... they then picked me up and arrived at the clinic. Just a tip to all the foreigners coming to Tijuana that are not from the US change your money at the airport or beforehand because there are no places in TJ where you can change it.... Which I have now experienced Anyway I ended up paying $6000 USD for the 600cc\'s which was a little dissapointing because I was given a price of $7000 for 800cc\'s but once I arrived the doc said that because of my small frame there was no way 800cc\'s would look good but I decided to do it anyway.

LINK : messageboards.makemeheal.com/buttocks-au...tijuana-t124180.html


Now if you work that out, that \'s 7000/800 = $ 8.75 per cc or 6000/600 = $ 10 per cc

Now, I don\'t want people to be fighting, all I am asking is how do they offer PMMA so cheap per cc? Is metacril cheaper when they buy direct from manufacture compared to the metracril website where it cost $50 per cc?

Btw this post is from July 2009... so like 3 years ago. I don\'t know if price for pmma have drastically changed since then

They don\'t use Metacril. They use their own brand of PMMA called Precise.

Linnea Safe which seems to be more expensive for Dr C to buy, can be brought from the manufacture for $20 per cc, so we can assume Dr C pays less than that for Metacril.

Also Dr Nemckova, the Director of Health for Metacril.EU, the European arm of Metacril, charges 3500 euros for 3 applications. Dr C charges $6000 for 3 applications. So he is more expensive than someone who actually has an affiliation with Metacril. So unless someone is going to suggest that the Director of Health for Metacril in Europe is using bootleg PMMA, I think it\'s fair to say that this proves there is nothing suspicious about Dr C\'s pricing.