TOPIC: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS

I have a very similar look if I sit Flaccid with my Balls and unit on top of my leg. The implant \'sleeve\' pops over my glands and creates a ball almost identical. However I am only R1, and this is really only when positioned to cause it.

I\'m taking this thread and your circumstance as further proof that I need to be careful. I\'ve had another round of self-esteem issues lately and have been thinking about how much Girth I should pursue, If I should just give it all up, if I should keep trying (with no promise) for length, etc. I don\'t have an especially large head, and not a naturally large Flaccid either.

Further more, most of my sexual experiences are with men, so I\'m under even more scrutiny for aesthetics and realistic touch.

Hi Ten Inch Goal,

I hope you know that you\'re already at the length limit of what most women can take? More length and you\'ll start getting complaints and having ladies switch from smiles to frowns? Just a thought in passing... in case you aren\'t married to a woman with a sideways cervix who can handle any length.

Like Skeptical One, I still prefer this look to what I had before when Turtling: a unit which could be as small as one Inch long and maybe two inches Girth? Yikes! So we must remember that all this is relative. Some growers can get very small. Some which are modest sized when Turtling can get way big, like Essex who just joined and goes from 3 inches to 8! Wow.

It isn\'t very good looking, and certainly doesn\'t look natural when it forms a ball. I do think that there ought to be a solution to this effect. Smartman speaks of tacking to one\'s pelvis through surgical intervention, which leaves scars at the top of one\'s base. I don\'t really want to go this way if preventable.

Another way might be to see if Dr C can widen the base with enough Girth that it holds the rest of the PMMA sheath up against the pelvis, so it won\'t form a ball lumping down onto the glans?

This seems to be the least invasive and most promising path to investigate, and I shall be asking him in early June if this can be envisaged as a solution. The rather rigid 30% PMMA collagen has softened some since last September (8 months since round 3) and a only 3 or 4 applications of 75% DMSO in Aloe Vera gel helped further soften the tissues. So artificial rigidity to the touch is something which can be resolved, at least partially.

That leaves the \"gravity effect\" of thick PMMA sliding down one\'s shaft, which makes for a tip heavy Flaccid which, when Turtling, turns into a ball if your glans isn\'t large. I hope a solution is on the horizon, or I will be having to inject daily very precisely dosed sub-cutaneous injections of either Melanotan-II or its non-tanning derivate Bremelanotide PT-141, to always retain a semi-Flaccid condition and never turtle.

Regarding your question as to what percentage concentrations of PMMA you should have done, this isn\'t something which I can recommend at this time. I think that Dr C will be reviewing shortly his preferred protocol, he is discussing this with our moderator Miracle 7.5x6 and we shall get a far better idea of what the best way to proceed is from them!

Cheers,

HC

Hi jlmb,

I see that this is a situation that any number of GROWERS who tend to turtle might have with PMMA. How long has it been since your first PMMA session, and what percentage did you have injected? Did he taper it or make is cylindrical with just one percentage used?

I would recommend you hold off for a few weeks before round two until we can sort out how Dr C can best answer this very legitimate preoccupation. It isn\'t anything medically serious, as nobody ever died of the tennis ball look, but we might die of shame when pointed at and laughed at by bevies of pretty ladies calling us \"Bubble Dick!\" LOL.

In another thread in this forum I am pursuing another avenue to possibly resolve this issue, by enlarging the glans in Korea to prevent it from burying in deep inside a PMMA sheath when retracting? In this case it would probably push the outer layer back up towards the pelvis when retracting, the ridge of the glans pressing against the edge of the PMMA layer and hopefully pressing it up along the shaft instead of outwards around the glans.

I bet that guys tend to notice more than woman whether a unit is original or not. Possibly because the focus is more \"dickcentric\" and also because they\'ve always had their own for comparison purposes. I\'ve noticed that woman don\'t really know what a normal unit should look like, and they are less into them \"except when in use\" LOL.

Hunk Chunk

Botox Thread
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Hi Aesthetic Girth,

I thank you for the link to that thread about Botox. Somehow I never saw it, despite scouting the forum regularly. Amazing!

I do think this may open an entirely new avenue to explore. Yet I think that it is mostly interesting in case all else fails. For it is only temporarily correcting the symptom and not permanently addressing the underlying cause.

My issue is with a \"sleeve of PMMA\" sliding down over the glans. This can be solved more effectively by either enlarging the glans, or by anchoring the PMMA to the base. If that doesn\'t work, then botox is another possibility. I wonder if Dr C can offer this as a solution to guys like me, who would rather not wind up with a tennis ball?

In response to your request, I am adding some photos taken from further away. The first one shows similar Turtling, the second one was taken when the retraction was ending, while the last is with a semi-Flaccid which is the only way I have zero retraction. All three photos were taken in rapid succession. This means that with Botox, I could move from looking most of the time like photo 1, to looking more like photo 3, and...

Go from being a Grower to being a Shower !

Thanks for your suggestions!

Hunk Chunk
PS. Bruising is due to Liposuction, bandage is due to scrotoplasty.

Its been about 7-8 months since R1, and I received 28cc mostly 20%.

As I said before, my problem is really only there when prompted. I wasn\'t really a complete shower before, I just was capable of a lot of shrinkage situationally, like cold, bored, working out, etc. Most of the time it would be very normal. Which is why now, its mostly not a problem, just when I sit and hold it above my legs, or if I am wearing tight underwear. I\'m just afraid with more and more PMMA the variety of siituations its an issue will increasee

Quote from HC: \"My issue is with a \"sleeve of PMMA\" sliding down over the glans. This can be solved more effectively by either enlarging the glans, or by anchoring the PMMA to the base. \"

Hi HC;

Enlarging the glans may not resolve the issue. The glans has to be so large Flaccid to stop some shrinkage that it will be huge when Erect and now you may have an esthetic issue. Plus, so far we have no reliable means for enlarging the glans....yet!

I don\'t think it is a good idea nor easy to anchor PMMA to the base. With Erection, the skin needs to be free to expand and move, remember it is a very dynamic organ.

I really think your problem is more visual to you than functional? As long as you are getting the kind of positive lady responses mentioned in your thread, who the F...k cares..enjoy it man!!

BTW, your semi Flaccid/Erect looks very smooth, Dr C Did a good job fixing your previous issues.

@jlmb

28CCs is a massive amount of PMMA in a single round. I expect that you wanted to do a \"one stop shopping\" trip to Tijuana? You probably got enough Girth to stick with that single session too. I figure that you won\'t have too bad a problem when retracting, because that isn\'t so thick of a layer from just one session, even if well loaded with product. I didn\'t get a problem until the 3rd session with 30%. Before that, after round 1 with 10% and round 2 with 20%, I had no sausage in a blanket aesthetics. It was only round 3 with 30% that gave me this unaesthetic result when retracting.


@Mustang2020,

Thanks for your advice. I figured that maybe it would have to get way bigger, yet my glans is so much smaller than the shaft that even way wider may not look too ugly. Also, it could maybe only take an extra half Inch in diameter for the glans edges to hold back the fairly rigid layer of collagen. It only hangs over the glans due to gravity, so it might not take that much opposing force of resistance to keep the sleeve propped up?

Regarding the anchoring of the PMMA, I already notice that the collagen growth does expand as is, so that even if the base was widened outwards, to prevent the entire encasing of PMMA to slip downwards when Flaccid, it would probably still stretch fine when Erect?

I think my issue with the base is that right before getting my first round, I had been applying DHT cream and it had swollen up my base quite a lot. One year later the base got a good bit thinner, possibly due to stopping that treatment. I wanted to get PMMA there to replenish it, but my 2nd round backfired due to extreme allergic swelling and I didn\'t get any. My 3rd round also gave nothing at the base, because I failed to massage the PMMA downwards (dumb me, I didn\'t know that it would migrate towards the tip !!!).

So I am hoping that getting a good quantity of 10% at the base, maybe keeping a tight bandage wrapped from mid-shaft to the glans during the first night, so it won\'t migrate there, may give me both that needed thickness near the pelvis plus hold the rest of the PMMA in place to prevent the Ninja Turtle from hiding it\'s head in the PMMA shell?

You are right that I have no functional problem. It is only visual, but it is the aesthetic I find the most displeasing of anything I\'ve seen other than that guy on video who took out his blob which is so siliconed that it would take a wheelbarrow to move it.

The ladies really love my unit Erect, no complaints, quite to the contrary. Thanks to Dr C I am a totally different guy, moving from being a baby boy toy to an estimable Hunk Chunk. So my handle fulfilled its promise, as I just got off the phone with a girl dying to swallow me whole. Never did a girl tell me this before Dr C.

For reference, look at the first photo posted of me retracting. Imagine the tip, at its width, leading right up to the base at its teensy diameter. That is what my retractions looked like before: baby sized... I remember the most extreme manifestation of this right before round 2, it retracted to less than the size of my thumb !

Also, Dr C really did an incredible job of smoothing out what were possibly the worst clumps they\'ve ever seen. It was a mammoth task for them to get it all fixed, and they courageously spent hours working away without respite. The next morning you can imagine how heartily I thanked them. My current issue is minor and only occurs when fully retracted. Aside from a bit too spongy a feel, my unit is quite natural except for being too short for the Girth.

I am very happy with my results and, aside from wanting a thicker base to again have it taper, to reach perfection I\'d dream of a thin coating of 10% for a more natural at first touch, along with a glans volume increase and some extra length, if Hanging weights can work.

In June I will ask Dr C for a botox shot to keep it from retracting as much. If it works I can hit the nude beaches proud like last summer. And also be less shy around new girls. If the botox doesn\'t work I\'ll inject myself with carefully micro-dosed PT141, so that it stays at at all times semi-Erect.

Yesterday I avoided going all the way with a new girl who is stunning, man, she was gorgeous and told me she was all systems go. But I was sure that if she saw my \"stuffed olive\" standing in for a Phallus, she\'d immediately know it\'s an artificial Dick - - I told her of my girlfriend who had slept with 200 men. She seemed unimpressed. When I asked her if she thought that was a lot, she replied \"That depends, over how many years?\"...

It\'s ironic that I now \"have the stuff\", and still shy away from girls. This time not because it is way too small, but because now it is pretty darn weird looking at rest. I could sense she\'d be wise to me, and I\'m not just imagining this: in January I got turned down by a cute latina girl in Miami, who griped at me sarcastically: \"You are lying! You\'re uncut!\" The solution would be to relax and get excited, but when you have a problem, you get blocked and it retracts more!

HC

Hi guys and gals,

Here are a few photos which might help others here determine for themselves if my temporary Ninja Turtle condition - not yet revised by Dr C - is caused by the use of 30% PMMA, an imbalance in distribution of PMMA along the shaft (caused by my failure to correctly massage towards the base) or simply an excessive coefficient of Girth versus length.

Aside from the massive Turtling effect, which can probably be corrected by some means yet to be determined, what also irks me is that one can clearly see the thick ridge at the lower end of the shaft, where there is an abrupt end to the collagen layer. I hope that 10% will be able to correct this, and that it won\'t also migrate upwards onto the thicker layer...


* NOTE: This outcome is accentuated by two converging factors.
- the ligament cut added an Inch to Flaccid length, resulting is a longer thin base
- webbing reduction brought the skin tighter along the shaft, outlining the discrepancy


Hunk Chunk

Some photos with a stretched Flaccid and the skin pulled tight to reveal implant.

HC

Hi HC; I see what you mean about the base being smaller than mid shaft. Dr C can fix that of course. May be take a cailas one day before your next op and then another one two to three days post op. Then you will have a semi Erection for almost 4-5 days and the PMMA beads will settle down. I did that last time and it worked for me, but I do still have some dips and little Balls of PMMA but it is not too bad. On my next corrective round I hope Dr C will resolve most of these problems.

there is also a cialas for daily use , I think. If you know you are going to have a girl soon or going to a nude beach/area, take a pill as needed....

Dude, how can you say NO to a gorgeous girl? you should be as hard as a baseball bat before she sees it, Or turn down the lights before you get going, and by the time you are touching each other, you will be Erect....LOL!

Hi Mustang,

Thanks for the advice and support. That stunning blonde was almost too gorgeous, not because I downrate myself or put her on a pedestal, but because she\'s been venerated by too many guys before me. Go figure. She\'s French, living in Paris, and is a lookalike for Brigitte Bardot but with her own special spunk added. I don\'t need girls with image problems or who think they\'re god\'s gift. She did ask me over for a glass of wine though...

Today I have a date with a lovely brunette who has both looks and brains. I appreciate your Cialis advice and I shall do something of that order. But this morning I am going to try either Melanotan II or its zero-tan substitute, PT141 Bremelanotide. That stuff is wicked though, with 10-hour duration if dosed higher. I only want to make sure that I don\'t turtle but have no libido issues.

I would prefer not having a raging boner at the restaurant, lest I scare her away. A horny guy with a hard-on here is called a \"mort de faim\", a guy dying of hunger because he\'s so hard up. I will inject only 250 micrograms sub-Q. Twice that is extremely libidinal. I hope it does just enough, semi-Flaccid it is presentable despite imperfections. No work of art, but nothing to be ashamed of.

Cheers,

Hunk Chunk

HC, who does not love Brigitte Bardot????????

Hi Mustang,

Yeah, she wants to get together again next week, so I\'ll have another shot at that shooting star looker and the good news is that I can now attest that those injections in very small doses do prevent Turtling!!! Not a trace of Turtling for 24 hours after one tiny shot of Melanotan-II.

Next, before my forthcoming date, I will try out the same product without the tanning feature. It is PT-141 also called Bremalonotide. What I liked with a very small dose (about 150 micrograms) injected with an insulin needle, was that it gave me anywhere between a semi-Flaccid to a semi-Erection depending on how I was feeling. Plus the stuff is quite sensuous and arousing, in a very gentle way (remember this was with way weak dosage).

As a kid I was around Brigitte Bardot when she used to hang out with Yves Saint Laurent (I lived in the same building), so I really know what she looked like in her prime. But at that age I was more interested in Gunther Sachs\' Rolls Royce Silver Cloud II. Well, this girl is actually a prettier version! More refined features and a sparkier personality. Yeah, but looks aren\'t everything. I\'ll only sleep with her if there\'s at least some sparks! She\'s a bit wacky too, which is logical because it must be hard to have such famous looks in a very sexist country like France which vows a cult to BB. Her eyes are blue/green/grey and she has more delicately chiseled features than her elder, these two pics are a close match~

HC

Good Stuff HC...This PT141 sounds way too good....I\'ll give it a try soon and let you know..Are there any negative side effects if used in small dosages as you did?

Hey, didn\'t BB run naked in Paris to celebrate her 40th B\'dayt 40??? I read or heard about it years ago...