TOPIC: LONG TERM PMMA SIDE EFFECTS

Until Advocate replies, I\'ve been looking into this.

Back then, Dr. C used the brand called \"Precise\" - read patient discussion here.

Precise product info is here.

Precise has a very bad safety record. Also, the PMMA particle size is twice that of Metacrill or Artefill. It may also have more particle variation but I can\'t find information on that.

Regarding Artefill:

There are other specific advantages to microspheres in this size range. The smaller the microspheres (to the threshold of phagocytosis), the larger their combined surface area in a given volume and the greater the total amount of new collagen deposition. Microspheres with a diameter of 100 ?m, for example, promote the ingrowth of only about 56% connective tissue, whereas microspheres with a mean diameter of 40 ?m promote the ingrowth of about 80% connective tissue [7]. The PMMA/collagen ratio and the 30'50 ?m PMMA microsphere sizing for ArteFill are direct applications of these observations

Also, regarding metacrill in the face:

www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/FacialWasting/Q207274.html

He also used Bio-Alcamid which turned out to be very problematic.

Anyway, there\'s a lot of random info out there - so it would be helpful to hear exactly what happened to you, Advocate. Thanks

In my opinion Advocates result is not much different to 90% of results we\'ve seen in the penis. His might have got worse over time, but he\'d have had far less injected.

But you can\'t really compare facial injections with this into the fascia of the penis. Even more so if the facial patient has lipoatrophy. If you take the most aesthetic looking penis result and applied it to the face, then it would look terrible in my opinion. My friend Mikehok has several lumps in his penis years after PMMA, but he can only feel them if he actively goes looking for them as they are deep under the fascia. Yet we\'ve both commented that if the same lumps were in the dermis of the face he\'\'d feel . Even Sizemic, who is arguably seen as the poster boy of PMMA, mentions several irregularities.

Basically the lumps and irregularities we see reported here all the time are going to be several times worse in terms of being noticeable to both sight and feel when injected into the dermis of the face, than in the penis. If we take Restoration as an example, his PMMA seemed to stick to the skin, as if it wasn\'t injected deep enough. That\'s what facial injections are like. Plus there are more immune cells in the dermis.

In my opinion PMMA or any permanent filler is a terrible option for the face. Actually, it\'s a terrible option for all body parts. But with regards to the penis, it\'s only competing with other terrible options, which isn\'t the case with the face. I understand why people with facial lipoatrophy would be enticed by the long term and lower cost of PMMA, but there are much less risky alternatives. With the penis there really aren\'t any good options. Hence, only consider a PE procedure if you are absolutely desperate and then don\'t get greedy and take a conservative approach.

I personally think one of the biggest shame is that we don\'t have more information from Dr. N\'s patients. The low volume approach is much more appealing to me. When I see people post here going nuts that they have lumps, when they allowed Dr.C to inject 25cc of 30% in a 3 Inch Flaccid Cock/6 Inch Erect, I\'m just not surprised at all. Restoration\'s biopsy photo shows how much product that is in the junk when you pop in 30%.

Holy shit ! I think someone really need to confront him with those kind of results this product really dont designed for the human body.. we must admit the fact that currently there is no effective and without dangerous way to enlarge our penis the shit alwayes float in the end if it\'s matter of months or years that\'s the painful trurh our only hope is to wait for the science development...

Yobinzay wrote: Holy shit ! I think someone really need to confront him with those kind of results this product really dont designed for the human body.. we must admit the fact that currently there is no effective and without dangerous way to enlarge our penis the shit alwayes float in the end if it\'s matter of months or years that\'s the painful trurh our only hope is to wait for the science development...

Firstly that has been the forum consensus since day 1.

Secondly, stop joining the forum! I must have banned you 50 times! FUCK OFF.

thebeast1 wrote: I personally think one of the biggest shame is that we don\'t have more information from Dr. N\'s patients. The low volume approach is much more appealing to me. When I see people post here going nuts that they have lumps, when they allowed Dr.C to inject 25cc of 30% in a 3 Inch Flaccid Cock/6 Inch Erect, I\'m just not surprised at all. Restoration\'s biopsy photo shows how much product that is in the junk when you pop in 30%.

I had 15cc of 30% Linne Safe in Round 3. I had more metacrill (at 30%) in round 2 - and that did nothing. So, that\'s why I had another round of 30. I\'m more surprised than you are. My biopsy also was not PMMA. That was all connective tissue my body made in response to the PMMA, which, as we have learned - varies a lot. Regardless, I\'d never recommend more than 10% unless there was a major contour irregularity / gap that had to be filled in...now that I had this experience.

The main question I have for advocate is what happened and changed over time - and what PMMA he was injected with - and if there\'s more info on precise. Supposedly, it caused a lot of problems. This doctor said it \"always\" feels firm and lumpy.

I think it will be New Plastic, not Precise. But personally, those photos wouldn\'t worry me if I had PMMA and I\'m more cautious than 99% of members, hence I don\'t have PMMA. Surely you\'ve also seen PMMA or other filler lumps in the face before going ahead with this procedure. I must have googled \"PMMA problems\" or similar search terms 100 times, when I was researching PMMA. I\'ve seen photos like that countless times and they weren\'t the reason why I didn\'t go ahead.

Yeah that\'s true. Sculptra was pretty bad too until they revised the dilution ratio. Even the \"benign\" ones like Restylane can cause lumps but those dissolve with an enzyme.

I believe Dr. C and Wade have fillers (likely PMMA) in their faces, so they took the same risk...right? Bio alcaid was way worse across the board.


By the way, lipo Atrophy can look pretty bad even without filler so it would be informative to see a before photo rather than this hit and run kind of post. When he was still on here, I sent him a message and then he closed his browser immediately. So i am taking this with a grain of salt given what chad has been posting. I posted real complications and answered questions. If you want to post to scare people - and run away when they have questions then you can suck my crooked lumpy Dick frankly.

Attached - two men with NO filler and facial wasting

Interested in this Juvederm Voluma. Is there any progress reports with a patient getting it injected?

Yobinzay wrote: Holy shit ! I think someone really need to confront him with those kind of results this product really dont designed for the human body.. we must admit the fact that currently there is no effective and without dangerous way to enlarge our penis the shit alwayes float in the end if it\'s matter of months or years that\'s the painful trurh our only hope is to wait for the science development...

Well I ve got a little more than 100cc's of 30% from Dr. N.

I am quite happy with the results. My Flaccid look is almost perfect ( I ve got a little turkey neck, which does not come from PMMA ) My Erect look is ok. It looks a bit special as I do have a small glans and when I pinch the PMMA with my fingers I can feel that there are some nodules, but in my case they are not as small as f. ex. Restoration's but its more like all my PMMA is like a harder, squishy Nodule. On my left side it is softer than on my right side though. I might wanna try DMSO. I m just scared that maybe I ll ned up with a worse result than I have now. While Erect it is noticable because I am uncut and during a tight Handjob uncut penises have a lot more skin that is moved up and down, and as you know the PMMA moves with the skin.

olafspo wrote:

Yobinzay wrote: Holy shit ! I think someone really need to confront him with those kind of results this product really dont designed for the human body.. we must admit the fact that currently there is no effective and without dangerous way to enlarge our penis the shit alwayes float in the end if it\'s matter of months or years that\'s the painful trurh our only hope is to wait for the science development...

Well I ve got a little more than 100cc's of 30% from Dr. N.

I am quite happy with the results. My Flaccid look is almost perfect ( I ve got a little turkey neck, which does not come from PMMA ) My Erect look is ok. It looks a bit special as I do have a small glans and when I pinch the PMMA with my fingers I can feel that there are some nodules, but in my case they are not as small as f. ex. Restoration's but its more like all my PMMA is like a harder, squishy Nodule. On my left side it is softer than on my right side though. I might wanna try DMSO. I m just scared that maybe I ll ned up with a worse result than I have now. While Erect it is noticable because I am uncut and during a tight Handjob uncut penises have a lot more skin that is moved up and down, and as you know the PMMA moves with the skin.

How small is your glans ? I also have small glans something like 4.3 max and im really want the PMMA enhancement but im afraid from dwarfing of the glans by the way you mentioned dr n are you in contact with her? Because she dosen\'t respond to emails..

Thanks for chiming in. I think that you are correct that their protocol has evolved over time. I hate to hear that you were one to spur it on, though.
Like you, I have had mine for a few years now and have no complaints. Who knows what fate will hold in 10 years, but for now, I am quite happy.

But this is something that should absolutely be considered when making a decision. What happens LONG term? Truth is, we don\'t know. Right now, it is a roll of the dice, cross of the fingers and a hope that everything goes as planned. I do not foresee any issues, but you never know.

You certainly bring up some good points and valid concerns for people to consider. It is certainly an evolving process. But I am still 100% glad that I went for it. Time will tell if it bites me in the butt.

Good to hear from you Smalljay
Glad to hear you haven't been imprisoned for murdering Dr Cho ? although he does deserve a good slap

smalljay, really great to hear from you. i was wondering how you\'ve been all this time! i guess you haven\'t been on the boards for the most part because your life is better and more positive. nice one!

regarding aftercare, it\'s clear to me that the instructions change as they read this board and read new patient\'s threads. they\'re winging it to the same degree that we all are.

when i got PMMA done the first time everyone was like: the lowest size-point of your penis is day 6. that was like a target. but this has changed completely to the degree that i even wonder about the earlier threads that said this and to what degree they were even real.

i just wish the doctor would say \'it\'s still guesswork but this is what we\'ve learned from patients from reading their threads.\' but instead we get \'this is how it should be\' until it changes and now it\'s \'this is how it should be\' with no mention of beforehand.

To be fair, number, we all do this.
Scientists do this. Protocol is this, for decades at a time, and then they\'re all, actually, that was a shit system, we do this now. Everyone that still prescribes to the old method is regarded as a fucking idiot now, obviously it was wrong all along, duh.

You are right though. But imagine going in and they\'re all like, \'Well, we don\'t really know that much about this whole endeavour, it\'s trial and error and we learn as we go, so pants down, postitive thinking\'......


I can see why they bullshit. Honesty would be grand but scary.