TOPIC: Unintended Side Effects with Frequent Use of Forum

9_in_richard wrote: Let me re-phrase that from the perspective of someone involved in the weight lifting community.....from the perspective of the gym rat....16-17\" arm size is not a big arm. Bodybuilders, weight lifters, power lifters who frequent the bodybuilding forums (some, not all of course) often have some degree of body dysmorphia themselves.....similar to those on penis forums in regard to \"average\" vs enhanced.

I\'m 5\'9\" 192lbs @ 10% BF, 48\" chest, 32\" waist, 17-17.5\" arm and by most people that know me, they consider me a \"big\", muscular, strong guy. I consider myself a smaller to average build. My perception is skewed because I compare myself to the guys in my community who are 60\" chests, 22+\" biceps, etc,etc.....it is all relative to your \"norm\". Compared to average joe....yeah, I\'m pretty muscular....but I do not compare myself to average Joe.

Most likely, if my bicep reaches 20\", then I will look elsewhere for improvement. Weightlifting, much like PE is a journey.....not a destination. There is always room to improve ones self. My opinion of course.

From a gym rats point on view, you have big biceps! There is no getting around it, at your size, with a low body fat, those arms are big.

Here is how I see it. If you saw another guy with your same dimensions, you\'d think his arms were big. If he was stood right next to you, you\'d probably want to ask what his diet and routine is that gave him arms that size. But at the same time, he\'d probably be looking at your arms, wondering how you got them to be so much bigger than his. That\'s all part of the dysmporphia.

Check this guy out. He\'s that same height as you, but 2lbs lighter, with a touch more body fat.

forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=149702203

He\'s not crazy huge, like pro bodybuilders, but by any gym rat standards his biceps would considered big.

Bodybuilding and PE are so similar. You see guys here with huge penises comparing themselves with the likes of Shane Diesel and thus not considering themselves big. Even though we have gone miles off topic, we are actually getting to the of what this thread is about. Hanging around here is like hanging around a gym full of bodybuilders and it can be hazardous to ones mental health. It\'s so easy to develop of warped perception in certain environments.

Spot on my friend!

Great topic we have all been deceived by porn

I read all your contributions thoroughly and with high interest. I guess I chose the right forum. Never found so many threads with a high level of conversation culture, good thoughts, avoidance of prejudices and bashing in such a difficult and polarizing topic as PE. I really feel well informed and far from \"negatively influenced\" by now...

As a newbie to this forum, let me nevertheless add some remarks to the things said so far:

After only lurking and reading many posts, there are for sure some people here that are in the \"ascending spiral\" of wanting more and more. This cannot be explained only by dysmorphia. I see some stronger, competitive factor, which is typical for men. It is not only the wrong environment (like a bodybuilding gym) which lets our mind and judgement for \"normality\" get biassed. It is not that I watch some porn (with over-well-endowed peckers) and think \"these are the normal men, and only I am below average\". I KNOW they are taken as porn actors BECAUSE they are so huge (but I just wonder: why, except in gangbang scenes, will you never see average sized men? Wouldn\'t the identification with the male actor be greater if his Cock resembled mine, and I could be in his place?). But merely knowing that there are such men puts me into a vicious circle of competition and \"catching up\", because we are all programmed to compare and to fight possible competitors. The consciousness that we are not able to compete (because we are under-endowed or just \"normal\") makes us depressive. A muscle can be trained, a biceps can grow. The harder we try, the better we diet and the better our training plan is, the more muscles we will gain. This is not the case with the penis, or with the testicles. Pumping has a reverse effect.

We forget (or do not know) that penis size is not a selective factor in evolution (if it ever was); so we do not need to impress women with that (except those size queens as in the discussed swinger clubs, but their view to \"what is normal\" is also biassed by constant abuse). A big biceps is a different matter already. Stronger men are better protectors. Are bigger penises the better lovers?

I\'m not so much into porn, but I swim a lot and see naked men in the public showers nearly every day. The big bananas (Flaccid!) I can see sometimes already put me into a bad mood... So even if I did not know about the phalloboard forum or did not watch porn, I still would feel inadequate compared to the \"bigger ones\". They are everywhere...

A second thought:
The contribution, the effect of this forum to people planning to undergo PE is imho always a positive one. I would prefer that such people - nonwithstanding their motives - go into such an adventure with a good knowledge about the risks and benefits than to leave them to the hands of butchers and charlatans, or with too high expectations, in the best case. Information is always better than a lack of information. And the dialog culture and quality level of information here is great: everybody can ask the questions and express the fears he has, without needing to fear that he asks something ridiculous.

A third:
Though in many posts I can read that women are not interested in size as much as we are as men, there seems to be the goal (or at least a good motivation) to be more attractive to women and to lay as many women as possible. 200 girls in 4 years - is this a kind of sport? I can count the number of girls I had sex with on one hand - but I would never regret that, because it is the quality of relationship that counts for me. I just want to question some of the motivation of PE here, if they are sometimes realistic, or adequate to the other sex...

To put it in a nutshell: though I am also \"slightly\" prone to suffer from dysmorphia (as I explained in a different thread), I will stay in this forum as long as I\'m welcome. I will try to turn a blind eye on all the 8\"-goals for BPEL or 7\" for EG, and try to figure out what it is really that makes me content or discontent with my penis size...

Hey, Marsupil: Thanks for you post! Good post.

I will say this. Although negative effects can be had here I do believe positive can be had as well. A sense of hope is established on some level, to see someone at 5\" make it to 6.5-7\" BPEL, to see a 4\" MSEG make it to 6-6.5\"... shows you that with dedication, hard work and yes a little bit of risky behavior, enhancement is possible. I do believe that a goal should be set in the beginning, and once you reach that goal if you start getting the \"more more\" attitude, you may need to take a step back and evaluate. I have my ranges of scores, if I reach the minimum of those and look and say I want more, I have my maximum set. Do I think 10 rounds of PMMA would give me gargantuan results? Of course. But that isn\'t my goal. Although I\'m impressed with some of the gains some of the members on this board have gotten, I look at my own personal equipment and establish what I think is going to be \"enough\". Keeping perspective is imperative in my opinion.

I have spent countless hours in the two years of lurking on here, thunders, ect. I thought that my penis is not enough size wise. I was frequently looking at every aspect of pe. I did the 90 day start 3 times. No change, well not no but .25 Inch. I saw guys getting huge gains and all I got was a quarter Inch.

Fast forward to the last two months. I was hell bent on getting PMMA or the Elist.

Joining this board and actually reading, responding and posting and becoming a member has changed my way of thinking. I no longer desire the implant (thank god) and I have discovered I am almost 100 percent not going to do PMMA.

I am starting to wear the ads and I feel better. My flacid hang has improved and actually my Erect Girth has improved by .25 and i have not pumped in over a week.

My side effect is 100 positive, for my perspective on what is normal has changed. My penis all be it is not huge but I am happy to have what I do have and accept it as it is. I am going to still use the ads for 6 months and if I see a gain I will revisit my decision on wearing it longer. I have yet to see any harmful side effect said about the esl40.

For that I am thankful that this board exists, for I was honestly going to try very risky behavior to gain some length and Girth, I now see the bad side of pe both manual pe and surgical, and how risky some of this really is, and to me it\'s just not worth the risks involved.

This place would be so much better off with a membership fee. I pray the next time I go to log on here, it doesn\'t let me and instead shows \"3 months for $15.00\" or at minimum, a one time fee. Anybody thats even remotely serious about Phalloplasty shouldn\'t have an issue with it. They should also know it takes a couple months of productivity to really gain knowledge of a procedure. I wouldn\'t mind newbs like myself paying a $50 one time fee. I also wouldn\'t mind if the vets that have contributed their wealth of knowledge over the years, be grandfathered in for free.

Even a small fee would detour the majority of people who come and litter someone like Brice\'s or M8\'s threads with ignorant questions that could be found in any progress report with a little effort. All the mods are awesome. Especially Brice and Hoddle. The time you two take to sincerely answer peoples questions, no matter how asinine they might be, really shows what kind of men you are.

I\'m gonna cleanse my mind of PhalloBoards for awhile. Best of luck to everyone.

I\'m a fairly new poster, but I\'ve been reading a LOT about PMMA and have decided to go ahead with it, shooting for mid June.
I am at the low end of \'normal\' at 4.5\" EG x 6\" EL. My glans is about 5.25\", which to me looks like an apricot stuck to the end of a pencil

having big glans is an advantage when having this procedure so lucky you. good luck

I just saw this thread and I want to say--thank you to everyone that has taken the time to post and share their experiences. If this site didn\'t exist I wouldn\'t have had the courage to go and have the injections I did. It has been life changing for me, and as one of the posters above has stated--yes it is addictive. I am a different man in so many respects thanks to all of you. Now I just have to make sure I don\'t go too far!! Thank you.