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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280347500

SpankAss wrote: funny you said that cause i was just about to say what about the guys who start off with less ccs then the guys who get more...price is the same

also yes he was known for PMMA well before the site but he was primarily known for PMMA in other parts of the body was he not? it wasnt in the Dick mainly

again doesnt really matter what you think or say i still dont agree with the price increase that was made. And i will state yet again cause it seems some of you have blinders on but i am disagreeing with how high it went overnight rather then a gradual one and i doubt the increase in his costs was that significant or he prob wouldnt be in the business of doing this if there was no profit.

and thanks for telling me my opinion is a complaint again....much appreciated....if you want me to just agree with you and be a worker bee with no mind of my own just say so please lol...will save me alot of thinking and free thought of my own

first round back in day was 1500 i beleive and now its 2500... gradual might have been 2000 or one of the rounds being increased enough to make up the diff in the new higher costs yet all 3 were increased and it doesnt matter what is injected its all the same price so yea ...makes sense lol


And that is exactly the reason why I said that I think you just want to moan for the sake of it! It shows you aren\'t prepared to listen to reason.

As for your last paragraph consider this, (though you\'ve already said you wont.) A touch up session is $1500 I believe and Mustang has said it\'s up to 10cc. Originally the procedure was touted as an \"enhancement\" and that he\'d use 10-12cc. So that alone show you that he isn\'t really increasing prices by much at all. A 10 cc touch up session is still the same as a 10cc session originally was.

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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280347568

I should point out that Metacrill costs the patient $128 per ml in Europe. So if Dr C is on average adding an extra 10 ml per session, than the added cost from the original procedure is $1280. So Dr C seems to be under charging.

This kind of thread is why people say there is a bias to Dr C. There isn\'t, it\'s just that some posters make it hard not to go to extremes to defend the guy.

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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280347634

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briceb wrote:

dcpimpin12 wrote: Yea but lets face it he dont have a high a demand for the other procedures. most of his patient are for penile enhancement. there might be a few a very few for other procedures.


What makes you say he does not have a demand for other procedures?
If, according to some, this site is responsible for his high demand for penis enlargement, then what did he do before this board got to where it is now? Yep, his other services.


ofc course he had other services but not to the demand that PMMA has


hoddle10 wrote: But this is what he was known for! When PMMA first came along and many of our members were researching it, Dr C continually came up as one of, if not the, most renowned PMMA Dr in the world. One of the main resources for research we HIV forums and they are full of posts about Dr C\'s work. All that has changed is due to PhalloBoards he\'s now getting loads of penis enlargement patients.

hoddle10 wrote: I think you just want to moan for the sake of it. You\'ve been told that the price of PMMA has risen and that he now uses about twice as much per procedure. So given that, why are you still complaining? If you read makemeheal there are a couple of guys who had PE with Dr C before PhalloBoards and they both had 10cc per round. Our first pioneer, GSX, received 12cc. Yet thesedays it\'s rare that guys get under 20cc. Surely you can see that he\'s using double the amount, so why shouldn\'t he charge more? Also, I\'ve pointed out he\'s still cheaper than the other 2 PMMA Dr\'s we regularly discuss.


hoddle10 wrote: There is one price related issue that I think is worth discussing though and that is second round \"touch up\" procedures. I don\'t think it\'s acceptable that corrective procedures have a limited amount of CC\'s (5 I believe). Personally I think this is totally wrong and something Dr C should change, without raising the price. If a guy wants more size then of course he should pay for whole second round. However, it all the patient wants is to correct issues from the first procedure, then that patient should receive as many CCs as needed to get the best result Dr C possibly can. Every now and again we see patients being told that Dr C has suggested a full second round in order to totally correct their issues. I really think this has to change. If they aren\'t requesting more size, then, in my opinion, Dr C should be obligated to fix the problems for the \"touch up\" price.



yes other doctors might be a little more expensive but in the us... tijuana is known for being cheaper. i mean u go to a dentist over here in the united states and the bill is so high. u go to a dentist in tijuana is way cheaper. even taxi drivers are cheaper in tijuana. plastic surgery is cheaper in tijuana. so PMMA should be cheaper in tijuana. people have to buy plane tickets, hotel, etc... if u go to tijuana for PMMA u wil spend just as much over all as going to a doc that charges 6 thousand. so is it worth the trip? doctors in tijuana have to realize that people coming from out of the country look for special deals to make it worth their trip.

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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280347728

And they get it cheap! Look at the price per CC of PMMA in the US. I think it\'s about $800! To have 20cc of PMMA in the US would cost about $16000. If you don\'t think a $13000 saving is enough, then I think you just have to accept you expectations are beyond reason.




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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280347781

It is possible to think that Dr C initially had UNDERCHARGED patients to attract business and now he is charging a reasonable and a fair market price....I like this better...LOL!

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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280347813

well then guess i am cheap and frugal so either way glad i am cause i have saved alot of money, cut corners for myself and family, and spent alot on only things that were worth the money and effort

if you think someone who is cheap is to be loathed i feel bad for you SO cause being cheap or frugal means little in the eyes of how that person is actually as far as in principals, morals and everything else

and your right he is still 500 cheaper then everyone else but as he is not in the states if anything goes wrong nothing not even being able to try can be done while a US doc here in the states i could at least try to get something done

its funny cause i stated i am cheap and like to spend my money wisely my opinion is no longer valid lol

also how do you know 1500 was him selling the shirt off his back? how do you know he was not still making a profit then? did you see his books? did he tell you and show you the invoices? i highly doubt it and as i also stated already why i feel the increase was to drastic which you overlooked i will state it again

people pay the same thing for 3 rounds now matter how many ccs .... UNFAIR ... also increasing all 3 rounds was a bit to much as well...costs of the product dont justify that large of a increase and you all keep saying which such proven results ... yes results NOW what about 10 or 20 years from now when our cocks are falling off lol. Cant say this is a sure fire thing yet until you see long term affects ...its still a experimental procedure which usually doesnt cost what a proven procedure would cost

hoddle10 wrote: This kind of thread is why people say there is a bias to Dr C. There isn\'t, it\'s just that some posters make it hard not to go to extremes to defend the guy.

kinda is and isnt

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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280347941

@Hoddle10

I don\'t mind defending any person, doctor or otherwise, when the arguments used against them are silly or irrational.

Had a post said, \"despite market trends, I\'m not a fan of the price increase, because heck, who wants to pay more?\" and left it at that, I may not have even responded to it.

I do my very best to keep this an impartial, open-minded forum. That being said, I don\'t mind taking a side, irrespective of doctor or method, if I know it stands within reason.

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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280348092

I specifically drew a line between the frugal and the dirt cheap. The dirt cheap are a social bane and as a restaurant server I bust my ass and am not fond of dealing with poor tippers when the service has been excellent. Especially when they come in and are willing to spend $100+ on dinner... they weren\'t cheap about eating fancy, but couldn\'t leave even a reasonable tip? So yes, I loathe the willingly cheap.

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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280349085

Skeptical One wrote: I specifically drew a line between the frugal and the dirt cheap. The dirt cheap are a social bane and as a restaurant server I bust my ass and am not fond of dealing with poor tippers when the service has been excellent. Especially when they come in and are willing to spend $100+ on dinner... they weren\'t cheap about eating fancy, but couldn\'t leave even a reasonable tip? So yes, I loathe the willingly cheap.



93$ ticket for dinner


Tip: \"sorry I do not agree with the way you live your life\"


lol read about that one? People are fuckin\' idiots.

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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280349338

SpankAss wrote:
people pay the same thing for 3 rounds now matter how many ccs .... UNFAIR ... also increasing all 3 rounds was a bit to much as well...costs of the product dont justify that large of a increase and you all keep saying which such proven results ... yes results NOW what about 10 or 20 years from now when our cocks are falling off lol. Cant say this is a sure fire thing yet until you see long term affects ...its still a experimental procedure which usually doesnt cost what a proven procedure would cost


Do you even read the forum? Are you even remotely aware of the cost of procedures that are not only unproven, but in most cases proven to be problematic.

I think it costs around $10,000 for an Elist implant. FFT costs around $5000. Allografts are around $10,000. Yet all have been shown time and time again to disappoint and often cause serious damage. So even against your latest reasoning, Dr C\'s prices are still incredibly reasonable.

The idea of Dr C\'s pricing being unfair for charging everyone the same is equally absurd when you consider he is still cheaper than Dr\'s that charge per CC. Basically he has a price structure that gives better value for money for virtually all his patients and you call it \"unfair.\"

We\'d all like the price to be lower. Shit, I\'d like the price to be lower for everything I pay for. But your arguments for why Dr C should charge less are just ridiculous. You haven\'t raised a single point which hasn\'t been soundly addressed yet you still persist in arguing. Basically he is the must by now be the most experience PE PMMA Dr in the world, with by far the greatest exposure and yet charges less than other Dr\'s offering the same procedure. And you have an issue with this!!!!!


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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280349577

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SpankAss wrote: people pay the same thing for 3 rounds now matter how many ccs .... UNFAIR ...


I will liken this to going to an all you can eat buffet.
Everyone pays the same price for the buffet.
I may eat one plate of food.
The guy behind me eats two.
The guy behind him eats six.
Is that unfair? Not at all.


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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280349787

thehulk wrote:

Skeptical One wrote: I specifically drew a line between the frugal and the dirt cheap. The dirt cheap are a social bane and as a restaurant server I bust my ass and am not fond of dealing with poor tippers when the service has been excellent. Especially when they come in and are willing to spend $100+ on dinner... they weren\'t cheap about eating fancy, but couldn\'t leave even a reasonable tip? So yes, I loathe the willingly cheap.



93$ ticket for dinner


Tip: \"sorry I do not agree with the way you live your life\"


lol read about that one? People are fuckin\' idiots.



No, but I just looked it up now and read about it...unbelievable!

And without side tracking too much, speaking of tips, people should note that Servers make minimum wage, and in some states, hourly rates as low as $2.13! So their tips are their livelihoods! Granted, if someone is providing poor service, I don\'t blame you for tipping accordingly. But if a server provides adequate or stellar service, reasonable gratuity should be given.

I\'ve actually stopped dining with any friend or relative who doesn\'t tip or tips poorly, because it\'s embarrassing and because I end up paying their part of the tip because I feel bad for the server.

In my opinion, this is a fair tipping guide:

Egregiously bad service: 0% - 5%.
Poor Service*: 5% - 10%
Mediocre Service*: 15%
Good Service: 17% - 20%
Great Service: 20%-22%
Once in a lifetime: Break him off a Benjamin on top of 20% (or alternatively just 30%)

*Note, for poor to mediocre services, this is a window of service that can be entirely circumstantial - example: new server, extremely busy restaurant, under staffing, grand openings, etc - and you should take those into consideration before assuming the server him or herself was mostly to blame for the unfortunate dining experience. Egregiously bad services, on the other hand, is when it\'s quite apparent the server is mostly to blame and has little or no excuse for his/her fuck-ups.

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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280350732

SpankAss wrote: well then guess i am cheap and frugal so either way glad i am cause i have saved alot of money, cut corners for myself and family, and spent alot on only things that were worth the money and effort

if you think someone who is cheap is to be loathed i feel bad for you SO cause being cheap or frugal means little in the eyes of how that person is actually as far as in principals, morals and everything else

and your right he is still 500 cheaper then everyone else but as he is not in the states if anything goes wrong nothing not even being able to try can be done while a US doc here in the states i could at least try to get something done

its funny cause i stated i am cheap and like to spend my money wisely my opinion is no longer valid lol

also how do you know 1500 was him selling the shirt off his back? how do you know he was not still making a profit then? did you see his books? did he tell you and show you the invoices? i highly doubt it and as i also stated already why i feel the increase was to drastic which you overlooked i will state it again

people pay the same thing for 3 rounds now matter how many ccs .... UNFAIR ... also increasing all 3 rounds was a bit to much as well...costs of the product dont justify that large of a increase and you all keep saying which such proven results ... yes results NOW what about 10 or 20 years from now when our cocks are falling off lol. Cant say this is a sure fire thing yet until you see long term affects ...its still a experimental procedure which usually doesnt cost what a proven procedure would cost

hoddle10 wrote: This kind of thread is why people say there is a bias to Dr C. There isn\'t, it\'s just that some posters make it hard not to go to extremes to defend the guy.

kinda is and isnt




even though i agree with you that dr c should go back to 1500, they will never understand our views. all the people here are blind sided by PMMA an they will defend dr c no matter what happens. so just let it go because they will not understand no matter what u say. the only way this would work is if people stop going to dr c but then agian everyone on here is probably not going to do that. so lets just wait and see what happens.


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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280351360

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dcpimpin12 wrote: even though i agree with you that dr c should go back to 1500, they will never understand our views. all the people here are blind sided by PMMA an they will defend dr c no matter what happens. so just let it go because they will not understand no matter what u say. the only way this would work is if people stop going to dr c but then agian everyone on here is probably not going to do that. so lets just wait and see what happens.



Even though I do appreciate the work that Dr. C did for me, I am in no way blindsided by PMMA.
And I certainly would not defend the doctor no matter what. However, in this case, he is completely justified and is in no way being immoral or evil or anything along those lines. And honestly, it does not matter if it is the doctor or someone doing landscaping. I will defend anyone\'s right to price their services they way they see fit.

I completely agree that you can be disappointed that he raised his prices; I too am disappointed because like many others, I like getting a good deal. But at the same time I do not see any way anyone can justifiably say that he was wrong for doing it. I believe Spankass said that it was wrong because it priced out people who could afford the initial price but not the higher prices. Well, then what about the people who could not afford the initial $1,500 (which has already been pointed out was initially only for 10cc and not the 20+ most get now)? Was he wrong for pricing them out? Would I like to see his prices back at $1,500? Hell yeah I would! That still does not mean he was wrong.

The man has no monopoly on penile enhancement. I personally would love to see more doctors that provided this.

And you are right, I simply cannot understand your view that he is in the wrong.

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PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago #1280364906

You guys in the USA are lucky...

It costs me on average $4000 per round as I have to come from Australia. After 4 rounds it\'s starting to add up.

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