TOPIC: Newbie to the board. Help with decision making

Hey phalloboard,

I\'m researching my best options for reasonable length and Girth gains. I\'ve been consistently doing manual pe for close to a year with some reasonable results. BPEL went from 6.1\" to now a consistent 6.7\". NBPEL was 5.75\" now it is 6\". Those gains I\'m ok with. MSEG is pegged at 5\". I don\'t remember my starting Girth but it may have been 4.8\" or 4.75\".

I\'m considering surgery for some quicker gains but it is so hard to find consistent recommendations. For the longest time I\'ve considered getting my ligs snipped as I think I have potential for reasonable gains that way. I already use an ADS most days of the week for 4-12 hours.

After getting the ligs snipped I\'d like to work on getting as much length as possible then having a Girth enhancement procedure. I know there have been advancements in this area but there are a lot of scary results that are all over the internet. I\'m considering HA glandular enhancement and possibly PMMA or HA Girth enhancement. I\'d love to get to 6\"+ in Girth.

Back story is I\'ve been addicted to porn for 20 years. It has done a ton of damage. Also, through a mutual decision to have an open marriage for a while my wife ended up developing a significant sexual addiction that resulted in numerous affairs a few years after we decided to return to a monogamous relationship. We have both been working on recovery and seeing therapist to make our marriage work. It\'s been very effective at restoring our marriage and we also go to Celebrate Recovery which helps with accountability. I never had a relationship or encounter outside of my marriage. I was big into pleasing her and thought she would enjoy the attention and that I could handle it. I set myself up for a lot of the problems. She made the bad choices but I didn\'t create a very healthy sexual environment either.

Of the 6 guys she slept with I\'m the second smallest. (I saw pictures on her phone) None of them were significantly bigger than me maybe about 1\". But 1\" is a big deal for me. Girth wise there was minimal difference from what I could tell. She still claims I provide her with the most satisfaction she has ever come close to receiving. That the other guys just banged away at it and they had poor EQ which is a big deal to her. I have a slight upward curve which she enjoys and I can bottom out to her cervix and the posterior fornix with most positions so I know I\'m long enough. Even knowing that I provide her with great pleasure night after night, I still can\'t get over my poor body image.

I\'ve attached a picture of my progress shots. Left is most recent after focusing more on Girth gains for a month, middle is a few months ago from a slightly odd angle, and right is from about 2 months into my journey into PE. These are not edited and I adjusted the scale using the width of my thumb to the best of my ability.

So I guess this is a long introduction and request for support and help with my research.

Goal is 7\"x6\" which I think is pretty reasonable.

Here goes nothing, lol!

Forgot to mention I live in the southern portion of the US. I\'d prefer not to travel outside of the US for surgery. Somewhere in Florida, Texas, Cali would be great.

workinguptoit wrote: She still claims I provide her with the most satisfaction she has ever come close to receiving. !

I wouldn\'t have any surgery if I were you. Keep going with the manual PE. Your wife is happy as you are and you admit you have body image issues. Guys with body issue issues are rarely happy even after surgery. If you got to 6\" Girth, it wont be long until you start thinking how inadequate you feel for not being 6.5\" Girth.

The lig cut is usually a waste of time and money, unless you are after a longer Flaccid penis. It doesn\'t make Erect gains any easier to come by, though I\'ve noticed most guys on this forum wont believe this until they\'ve had the surgery.

Welcome! Hearing about the struggles of new members is tough. Most people are set in their ways and are rarely open to suggestion. I appreciate the forthcoming details. Your struggle with porn, is a consequence of being a admirer of pleasure, and I\'m pretty sure its not the idea of porn, but this big obsession has stolen so much of your time. Precious time. Your future is just as precious and valuable as the time that has already elapsed. So here comes some insights about Girth enhancement. I think there are alot of male teenagers, young and old adults, that can look at a shane diesel or shorty mac Cock and be like, wow, that\'s insane big! What kind of woman would want that. And if you watch porn, you\'re led to believe that unless you are packing that Girth you and your partner are missing out on that unique experience. That glimmer of surprise in the eyes of a woman, hearing her voice say, \"is that gonna fit\", or \"can i take a picture of it\", or \"i loved it\". So many...I MEAN, Soooooooooooooooooooooo many MEN, have spent endless hours pumping so they can admire their zahir, their obsession, their enlarged penis!! I think these next few words come as a sharp (diamond cut) double edge sword, maybe even sharper than that, lets call these words KATANA sharp for all those who admire the legendary Samurai sword. You can finally stop pumping. You can finally stop wondering if you should buy some lame aquatic bath pump or whatever stupid shit exists out there! Literally you can stop. Because you have two options: consider them the red pill or blue pill scenario. If you take the red pill, you accept who you are, you abandon this stupid hobby of penile obsession and walk away with a measure of character that i do not know about, but wish i took. Or you take the blue pill, and stop entertaining this pumping crap, because once you step forward and become a PMMA Penile Enhancement patient, you are your own living version of that BIG FAT Cock \"the biggest one if 4 counties!\".

Whether your talent in life is academics, handsome looks, or athletics, few of those can compensate for the experience of owning a Fat Cock. It does something to the psychology of an impressionable man. You suddenly become the Don Draper if you already weren\'t him. I am satisfied with my physical appearance, i walk in and out of showers with my Cock Hanging, i walked nude beaches, purposely walked out naked when my girlfriend\'s girlfriends were over. I feel like a lion in my own skin. I don\'t even know what my previous Cock looked like until i glance at old photos. I don\'t remember anything about that past. My sex life took off, like an outbreak with no antidote or cure. Its remarkable what confidence does for you. But it\'s a superficial confidence, the cheapest of its kind. It\'s like putting the body kit of a Jaguar X-type over a 2-door honda civic. For the truck fans, it\'s like putting a GMC Sierra denali over a 4-cylinder Tacoma. You can lie to yourself and after awhile you believe the lie, and fuck it, you don\'t look back. PMMA will make you into that Billy Glide, and you will own the bed room, but taking on this new responsibility can make you sex crazed. Sex can be the new obsession, and women become replaceable, like objects. If you already have a sex obsession, PMMA will make it get worse. If you don\'t, you\'ll just become more aware of that suppressed sexual ego.

And about your wife. Any woman who puts you through that shit doesn\'t deserve your pitty, you are a valuable person no matter how she treats you. And until you start believing in that, you\'ll keep taking the blame for other peoples mistakes. The fact she has photos on her phone of men she\'s fucked while she was married to you is messed up. I would divorce that woman even if i lived in a covenant marriage state. Screw her and that past, you deserve better. But you have to work on your inner make-up, real character vs fake confidence, and then find a new face that truly appreciates you. We\'re all here for you, good luck man.

hoddle10 wrote:

workinguptoit wrote: She still claims I provide her with the most satisfaction she has ever come close to receiving. !

I wouldn\'t have any surgery if I were you. Keep going with the manual PE. Your wife is happy as you are and you admit you have body image issues. Guys with body issue issues are rarely happy even after surgery. If you got to 6\" Girth, it wont be long until you start thinking how inadequate you feel for not being 6.5\" Girth.

The lig cut is usually a waste of time and money, unless you are after a longer Flaccid penis. It doesn\'t make Erect gains any easier to come by, though I\'ve noticed most guys on this forum wont believe this until they\'ve had the surgery.

See, this is what I\'m worried about and honestly that little voice inside me says I\'ll never be satisfied. I suspect we are all worried about that to some degree.

I actually enjoy the manual pe and it has helped. I have a great EQ but I\'d like to explore my options. I would feel more confident with a longer Flaccid permits even if it didn\'t change my EL. I\'d prefer to be more of a shower than a Grower so a log snip would not hurt that.

Thanks for your honesty!

coolhandluke wrote: Welcome! Hearing about the struggles of new members is tough. Most people are set in their ways and are rarely open to suggestion. I appreciate the forthcoming details. Your struggle with porn, is a consequence of being a admirer of pleasure, and I\'m pretty sure its not the idea of porn, but this big obsession has stolen so much of your time. Precious time. Your future is just as precious and valuable as the time that has already elapsed. So here comes some insights about Girth enhancement. I think there are alot of male teenagers, young and old adults, that can look at a shane diesel or shorty mac Cock and be like, wow, that\'s insane big! What kind of woman would want that. And if you watch porn, you\'re led to believe that unless you are packing that Girth you and your partner are missing out on that unique experience. That glimmer of surprise in the eyes of a woman, hearing her voice say, \"is that gonna fit\", or \"can i take a picture of it\", or \"i loved it\". So many...I MEAN, Soooooooooooooooooooooo many MEN, have spent endless hours pumping so they can admire their zahir, their obsession, their enlarged penis!! I think these next few words come as a sharp (diamond cut) double edge sword, maybe even sharper than that, lets call these words KATANA sharp for all those who admire the legendary Samurai sword. You can finally stop pumping. You can finally stop wondering if you should buy some lame aquatic bath pump or whatever stupid shit exists out there! Literally you can stop. Because you have two options: consider them the red pill or blue pill scenario. If you take the red pill, you accept who you are, you abandon this stupid hobby of penile obsession and walk away with a measure of character that i do not know about, but wish i took. Or you take the blue pill, and stop entertaining this pumping crap, because once you step forward and become a PMMA Penile Enhancement patient, you are your own living version of that BIG FAT Cock \"the biggest one if 4 counties!\".

Whether your talent in life is academics, handsome looks, or athletics, few of those can compensate for the experience of owning a Fat Cock. It does something to the psychology of an impressionable man. You suddenly become the Don Draper if you already weren\'t him. I am satisfied with my physical appearance, i walk in and out of showers with my Cock Hanging, i walked nude beaches, purposely walked out naked when my girlfriend\'s girlfriends were over. I feel like a lion in my own skin. I don\'t even know what my previous Cock looked like until i glance at old photos. I don\'t remember anything about that past. My sex life took off, like an outbreak with no antidote or cure. Its remarkable what confidence does for you. But it\'s a superficial confidence, the cheapest of its kind. It\'s like putting the body kit of a Jaguar X-type over a 2-door honda civic. For the truck fans, it\'s like putting a GMC Sierra denali over a 4-cylinder Tacoma. You can lie to yourself and after awhile you believe the lie, and fuck it, you don\'t look back. PMMA will make you into that Billy Glide, and you will own the bed room, but taking on this new responsibility can make you sex crazed. Sex can be the new obsession, and women become replaceable, like objects. If you already have a sex obsession, PMMA will make it get worse. If you don\'t, you\'ll just become more aware of that suppressed sexual ego.

And about your wife. Any woman who puts you through that shit doesn\'t deserve your pitty, you are a valuable person no matter how she treats you. And until you start believing in that, you\'ll keep taking the blame for other peoples mistakes. The fact she has photos on her phone of men she\'s fucked while she was married to you is messed up. I would divorce that woman even if i lived in a covenant marriage state. Screw her and that past, you deserve better. But you have to work on your inner make-up, real character vs fake confidence, and then find a new face that truly appreciates you. We\'re all here for you, good luck man.

That\'s a lot to chew on and I appreciate your honesty. Seems like you really took that blue pill seriously.

workinguptoit wrote: Hey phalloboard, I\'m researching my best options for reasonable length and Girth gains. I\'ve been consistently doing manual pe for close to a year with some reasonable results. BPEL went from 6.1\" to now a consistent 6.7\". NBPEL was 5.75\" now it is 6\". Those gains I\'m ok with. MSEG is pegged at 5\". I don\'t remember my starting Girth but it may have been 4.8\" or 4.75\". I\'m considering surgery for some quicker gains but it is so hard to find consistent recommendations.

As every one has recommended to you, Don\'t do anything. You are about 7EL by 6EG, that is way above the average size in the US and many other European countries and a giant in Asia!

IF you do decide to go for extra Girth, at this point in time it seems that PMMA is the least dangerous option. In one to two sessions you can be a lot thicker than you are now. The lig cut \"may\" only enhance your Flaccid but it carries a big cost and risk with getting a smaller penis even.

I wish this board existed before I made my stupid PE mistake with elist and his lies, I may have never done anything to start with....Live and learn I guess!

Good Luck.

\'Red Devil\' is a chemotherapy drug used to treat cancer - not sure how it relates to PE in any way. It\'s extremely toxic and has many nasty side effects. There is also PMA (aka \'red Mitsubishi\' or \'red death\') which is a dangerous drug that\'s often sold as ecstasy as it is simpler and cheaper to make.