TOPIC: Question regarding pricing for PMMA with Dr. C

mhamar wrote: As a point of reference, the exalted Dr. C is a Dermatologist.

\'Dermatology is the branch of medicine dealing with hair, nails, skin and its diseases.\'

Do you want this man performing surgery on your penis?

No, but I don\'t think he offers penis surgery. Maybe he might cut a skin lesion off or something of that nature, but I\'d prefer that don\'t by a Dermatologist anyway.

mhamar wrote: As a point of reference, the exalted Dr. C is a Dermatologist.

\'Dermatology is the branch of medicine dealing with hair, nails, skin and its diseases.\'

Do you want this man performing surgery on your penis?

Well, your first sentence \" Dr. C is a Dermatologist.

\'Dermatology is the branch of medicine dealing with hair, nails, skin and its diseases.\" is correct.

Your 2nd sentence: \"Do you want this man performing surgery on your penis?\"

Since you seem to know about Dr C\'s background and what he has done so far, do you think your statement is a fair and balanced statement? I do not think so. But you are free to back up your statement with some facts...

If Dr C was a newbie and he has lied to his customers and lied to the public about what he can do, NO, I would never let him touch me. But Dr C\'s history has proven itself many times over.

My husband and I had the conference with Dr. Loria. It was a phone conference NOT a video conference which was disappointing. The conference was about an hour long and had 11 YES 11 people in it. Basically how it went was his secretary started greeting and adding people into the call and then at 7:00 promptly the Dr. joined us. He talked for about 20 minutes and then answered individual questions. The secretary told me not to talk because I\'m female and might make the other men uncomfortable knowing there was a women listening to all of this. It pissed me off but at the same time I understand. I wrote down a list of like 9 questions and my husband only had 1....Pricing... Which is beyond stupid but anyways...Basically only one persons phone was un-muted at a time so that not everyone was talking at once. The questions my husband asked was: How much can I expect to gain each session? He said 1\" the first session. 1/2\" the second, and 1/4 the third. What is being injected? Silicone oil. It acts as a colligen stimulant and has been used for 30-40 years. Cost is 4,900 for one session or if you know you\'ll want 2 then 8500. Unfortunately husband would not ask most of my questions which pissed me off to no end because they are important questions.... Such as: How are you able to predict long term safety if this is your own formula and it has not gone through clinical testing? Are you qualified to remove what has been injected if things go wrong?What is your injection filler composed of? He also didn\'t ask about the lengthening procedure because he doesn\'t want it.... I will be emailing these questions to the Dr myself. I also recorded the call so I could re go over it if need be. So far my husband seems 100% sure on Dr. L and nothing I say or show him is changing his mind.... He will be getting this surgery soon so I\'ll keep you all updated. Sorry I couldn\'t have been more help!

Thank you Lila for the info and congrats for being such a supportive spouse. It\'s not my business but I wish your husband would set a deadline of at least six months or something. Even if he ended up with Dr l in the end at least he would be more informed.
Best of luck. Please keep us posted if it\'s not too much trouble.

Lilaforlife wrote: My husband and I had the conference with Dr. Loria. It was a phone conference NOT a video conference which was disappointing. The conference was about an hour long and had 11 YES 11 people in it. Basically how it went was his secretary started greeting and adding people into the call and then at 7:00 promptly the Dr. joined us. He talked for about 20 minutes and then answered individual questions. The secretary told me not to talk because I\'m female and might make the other men uncomfortable knowing there was a women listening to all of this. It pissed me off but at the same time I understand. I wrote down a list of like 9 questions and my husband only had 1....Pricing... Which is beyond stupid but anyways...Basically only one persons phone was un-muted at a time so that not everyone was talking at once. The questions my husband asked was: How much can I expect to gain each session? He said 1\" the first session. 1/2\" the second, and 1/4 the third. What is being injected? Silicone oil. It acts as a colligen stimulant and has been used for 30-40 years. Cost is 4,900 for one session or if you know you\'ll want 2 then 8500. Unfortunately husband would not ask most of my questions which pissed me off to no end because they are important questions.... Such as: How are you able to predict long term safety if this is your own formula and it has not gone through clinical testing? Are you qualified to remove what has been injected if things go wrong?What is your injection filler composed of? He also didn\'t ask about the lengthening procedure because he doesn\'t want it.... I will be emailing these questions to the Dr myself. I also recorded the call so I could re go over it if need be. So far my husband seems 100% sure on Dr. L and nothing I say or show him is changing his mind.... He will be getting this surgery soon so I\'ll keep you all updated. Sorry I couldn\'t have been more help!

You\'ve got to be kidding me. His website already outlines the prices...so all that waiting and sitting in on a call to ask a question that\'s already obtainable on the internet with a few clicks?...

And they don\'t let you talk because they are concerned about making the other men uncomfortable? I\'m surprised a medical practice wouldn\'t realize the plausibility of a significant other being involved in the research & decision making process, this request of theirs for you not to talk seems both unprofessional and...well...convenient if you were completely bull-shitting us.

I\'m baffled really. You spend the time to do all the research and for what? He is dead set on Dr. Loria and all you can share with us are expected gains and the cost??

Either your husband is a certified bonehead OR there is some justification to our \"suspicions.\" It\'s as if you married a Dr. Loria shill and didn\'t even know it! He seems to exhibit the classic \"dodging all the important questions\" type attitude, maybe he\'s not telling you something Kind of like that movie \"True Lies\" with Arnold Schwarzenegger, but instead of leading a second life as a spy, he\'s instead savvy internet shill! .....HA! just kidding.....he\'s probably just impulsive and misguided. Whatever the case, you ought to sit down with him and explain the cons too.

So all you got to share with the forum were prices? Wow...well of the 11 callers, did anyone ask anything related to the concerns voiced here on PhalloBoards, the only comprehensive source for Phalloplasty? I\'m just curious because when Dr. Loria himself showed up on the forums he\'d only take questions from a select few, one being a fake account, and never addressed any serious question(s).

well, ill leave the shill discussion to the mods, but i think silicone oil shouldn\'t be injected in the penis...or anywhere, really. There\'s some bad stuff that it can do. People claim that they can just put in tiny amounts, but the risks are pretty bad - worse than PMMA, I think.

I\'m sure others know more, but that would be my #1 concern.

Skeptical One wrote:

Lilaforlife wrote: My husband and I had the conference with Dr. Loria. It was a phone conference NOT a video conference which was disappointing. The conference was about an hour long and had 11 YES 11 people in it. Basically how it went was his secretary started greeting and adding people into the call and then at 7:00 promptly the Dr. joined us. He talked for about 20 minutes and then answered individual questions. The secretary told me not to talk because I\'m female and might make the other men uncomfortable knowing there was a women listening to all of this. It pissed me off but at the same time I understand. I wrote down a list of like 9 questions and my husband only had 1....Pricing... Which is beyond stupid but anyways...Basically only one persons phone was un-muted at a time so that not everyone was talking at once. The questions my husband asked was: How much can I expect to gain each session? He said 1\" the first session. 1/2\" the second, and 1/4 the third. What is being injected? Silicone oil. It acts as a colligen stimulant and has been used for 30-40 years. Cost is 4,900 for one session or if you know you\'ll want 2 then 8500. Unfortunately husband would not ask most of my questions which pissed me off to no end because they are important questions.... Such as: How are you able to predict long term safety if this is your own formula and it has not gone through clinical testing? Are you qualified to remove what has been injected if things go wrong?What is your injection filler composed of? He also didn\'t ask about the lengthening procedure because he doesn\'t want it.... I will be emailing these questions to the Dr myself. I also recorded the call so I could re go over it if need be. So far my husband seems 100% sure on Dr. L and nothing I say or show him is changing his mind.... He will be getting this surgery soon so I\'ll keep you all updated. Sorry I couldn\'t have been more help!

You\'ve got to be kidding me. His website already outlines the prices...so all that waiting and sitting in on a call to ask a question that\'s already obtainable on the internet with a few clicks?...

And they don\'t let you talk because they are concerned about making the other men uncomfortable? I\'m surprised a medical practice wouldn\'t realize the plausibility of a significant other being involved in the research & decision making process, this request of theirs for you not to talk seems both unprofessional and...well...convenient if you were completely bull-shitting us.

I\'m baffled really. You spend the time to do all the research and for what? He is dead set on Dr. Loria and all you can share with us are expected gains and the cost??

Either your husband is a certified bonehead OR there is some justification to our \"suspicions.\" It\'s as if you married a Dr. Loria shill and didn\'t even know it! He seems to exhibit the classic \"dodging all the important questions\" type attitude, maybe he\'s not telling you something Kind of like that movie \"True Lies\" with Arnold Schwarzenegger, but instead of leading a second life as a spy, he\'s instead savvy internet shill! .....HA! just kidding.....he\'s probably just impulsive and misguided. Whatever the case, you ought to sit down with him and explain the cons too.

So all you got to share with the forum were prices? Wow...well of the 11 callers, did anyone ask anything related to the concerns voiced here on PhalloBoards, the only comprehensive source for Phalloplasty? I\'m just curious because when Dr. Loria himself showed up on the forums he\'d only take questions from a select few, one being a fake account, and never addressed any serious question(s).

My husband asked like 5 questions or something like that. My daughter started crying in the other room and kept being loud so my husband couldn\'t focus on the call so I went to give her a bath. I wish I could have stayed to listen but it\'s more important he hears the call since he\'s the one getting it done. Since my husband was the first one on the call line his questions got answered first and with dr L talking without interruption for like 20 minutes I didn\'t have time to listen to anything else. My husband didnt ask the questions because he didn\'t feel comfortable. I could share more with you but in the 20 minutes I heard him talk it was everything I already knew from the forum except the gains he gets per session using his method. I didn\'t think it would be the same gains as PMMA since its a different substance so I\'m sorry if I stated something you all already knew. I\'m tired of people thinking I\'m a shill. I reported back because I said I would but if it\'s going to be like this every time I post something it\'s just not worth it.

Lilaforlife wrote:

Skeptical One wrote:

Lilaforlife wrote: My husband and I had the conference with Dr. Loria. It was a phone conference NOT a video conference which was disappointing. The conference was about an hour long and had 11 YES 11 people in it. Basically how it went was his secretary started greeting and adding people into the call and then at 7:00 promptly the Dr. joined us. He talked for about 20 minutes and then answered individual questions. The secretary told me not to talk because I\'m female and might make the other men uncomfortable knowing there was a women listening to all of this. It pissed me off but at the same time I understand. I wrote down a list of like 9 questions and my husband only had 1....Pricing... Which is beyond stupid but anyways...Basically only one persons phone was un-muted at a time so that not everyone was talking at once. The questions my husband asked was: How much can I expect to gain each session? He said 1\" the first session. 1/2\" the second, and 1/4 the third. What is being injected? Silicone oil. It acts as a colligen stimulant and has been used for 30-40 years. Cost is 4,900 for one session or if you know you\'ll want 2 then 8500. Unfortunately husband would not ask most of my questions which pissed me off to no end because they are important questions.... Such as: How are you able to predict long term safety if this is your own formula and it has not gone through clinical testing? Are you qualified to remove what has been injected if things go wrong?What is your injection filler composed of? He also didn\'t ask about the lengthening procedure because he doesn\'t want it.... I will be emailing these questions to the Dr myself. I also recorded the call so I could re go over it if need be. So far my husband seems 100% sure on Dr. L and nothing I say or show him is changing his mind.... He will be getting this surgery soon so I\'ll keep you all updated. Sorry I couldn\'t have been more help!

You\'ve got to be kidding me. His website already outlines the prices...so all that waiting and sitting in on a call to ask a question that\'s already obtainable on the internet with a few clicks?...

And they don\'t let you talk because they are concerned about making the other men uncomfortable? I\'m surprised a medical practice wouldn\'t realize the plausibility of a significant other being involved in the research & decision making process, this request of theirs for you not to talk seems both unprofessional and...well...convenient if you were completely bull-shitting us.

I\'m baffled really. You spend the time to do all the research and for what? He is dead set on Dr. Loria and all you can share with us are expected gains and the cost??

Either your husband is a certified bonehead OR there is some justification to our \"suspicions.\" It\'s as if you married a Dr. Loria shill and didn\'t even know it! He seems to exhibit the classic \"dodging all the important questions\" type attitude, maybe he\'s not telling you something Kind of like that movie \"True Lies\" with Arnold Schwarzenegger, but instead of leading a second life as a spy, he\'s instead savvy internet shill! .....HA! just kidding.....he\'s probably just impulsive and misguided. Whatever the case, you ought to sit down with him and explain the cons too.

So all you got to share with the forum were prices? Wow...well of the 11 callers, did anyone ask anything related to the concerns voiced here on PhalloBoards, the only comprehensive source for Phalloplasty? I\'m just curious because when Dr. Loria himself showed up on the forums he\'d only take questions from a select few, one being a fake account, and never addressed any serious question(s).

My husband asked like 5 questions or something like that. My daughter started crying in the other room and kept being loud so my husband couldn\'t focus on the call so I went to give her a bath. I wish I could have stayed to listen but it\'s more important he hears the call since he\'s the one getting it done. Since my husband was the first one on the call line his questions got answered first and with dr L talking without interruption for like 20 minutes I didn\'t have time to listen to anything else. My husband didnt ask the questions because he didn\'t feel comfortable. I could share more with you but in the 20 minutes I heard him talk it was everything I already knew from the forum except the gains he gets per session using his method. I didn\'t think it would be the same gains as PMMA since its a different substance so I\'m sorry if I stated something you all already knew. I\'m tired of people thinking I\'m a shill. I reported back because I said I would but if it\'s going to be like this every time I post something it\'s just not worth it.

No one said you\'re a shill. I was poking fun at your husband\'s persistence on getting a procedure done with a hair restoration specialist with a questionable history on this forum. Your husband was willing to go as far as sit through a telephone conference but couldn\'t spend that same time perusing the forums where people actually show proof of their procedures with documentation & photos. Just weird.

Hoddle also pointed out some valid reasons why you may be facing scrutiny in a separate thread (post #17)

I think most of us agree here that genuine female input is sorely lacking and would be awesome to have. But if your contributions here continue to revolve around Dr. Loria, expect skepticism and don\'t take it personally. If you weren\'t already aware, the Good Doctor has attempted shilling this forum on multiple attempts.

Let\'s keep it simple. Tell your husband that he needs to hold off on any procedure. If he isn\'t willing to do the REAL research on his one & only penis, he may not be in a sound state-of-mind and is looking for a quick fix for an issue that may not even solve the bigger problem (sex drive). As his wife who is concerned with the lack of sex you are getting, I\'d be exceptionally concerned if his penis was going to the wrong doctor...complications = even less sex. Think about it.

Restoration wrote: well, ill leave the shill discussion to the mods, but i think silicone oil shouldn\'t be injected in the penis...or anywhere, really. There\'s some bad stuff that it can do. People claim that they can just put in tiny amounts, but the risks are pretty bad - worse than PMMA, I think.

I\'m sure others know more, but that would be my #1 concern.

Well it\'s used with FDA approval (that isn\'t necessarily saying much lol) for small amounts in the face via micro droplet technique...but to use as a large volume filler the way Dr. Loria does...that\'s much more risky. He even has to put a band around your base to prevent the silicone from leaking downward, leaving people with a large indentation ring once removed.

i don\'t know why a guy who only wants sex once a month would even want a bigger penis so much?

either way, when he gets whatever procedure (be it silicone or PMMA ), be sure to let us know what his results and side effects are.

oh ok - i forgot about silikon1000. They say it is approved for retinal detachments though - but used a lot in the face. is that Loria is using? because it\'s $800-1000 per cc , roughly, from what i can tell. With the microdroplet technique, it seems as safe as pmma, from what the reviewers wrote on realself (though one had an adverse reaction on her face) - so I guess it\'s not clear if it\'s more risky in the microdrolet way (though, it\'s not meant for large volumes as you say). I\'ve just heard the worst things about silicone, but some of that is the people who do it off off off label with substances not manufactured / fda approved for medical use at all (not silikon 1000). So, just the word \"silicone\" makes me think - yikes, no, don\'t do it.

more here: www.realself.com/Silikon-1000/reviews

\"i don\'t know why a guy who only wants sex once a month would even want a bigger penis so much? \"

I don\'t get this either.

basically what loria is doing, is what those guys on the yahoo groups do about injecting themselves with silicone and getting huge girths (some look good, some look absurd. it is probably relative to how much they inject and what size they are trying to get) (they also do stuff like injecting saline into their scrotums to make the testicle area much bigger).

hey lila, just wondering what your husband had decided and how things were going in the search.