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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292810206

Dr Oates wrote:
We will trial our first Ellanse patient in 2 weeks. I saw one of my Voluma patients from last year recently. He wanted more, not that he needed it replaced from degradation - he was very happy it was all still there.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292837088

DR C - Ellanse pricing as of 6/15/16 (subject to change)- From Wade - The cost for 12cc of Ellanse is $4200. 350 per CC. I am looking on going down when it cools off a little bit, late Sept, Oct.

I\'ll keep y\'all posted of course.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292856745

I did 4 ml of Ellanse into the shaft last Saturday. Basically just the same as doing HA. No waiting to see the result.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292857507

aleksk wrote: Tell us more, Dr Oates. Did 4 ml result in any appreciable increase in Girth? It sounds like a small amount. Do you think there is a risk that it might result in lumps later as it settles or no risk for that happening? Was the patient satisfied with the aesthetics of it? Which version did you use- the 1, 2, 3 or 4-year one?

Do you think it comes out smoothly from the canula and you have a good control over how you spread it?

Also, could you tell us at what price you\'re offering Ellanse? If it\'s the same as HA in terms of results, i would prefer it 100 times over HA because some of its versions are long lasting and do not gradually dissolve. You could theoretically get away with injecting 3 times in 10 years and have decent Girth and good aesthetics all along. That\'s the appeal of it. Provided it doesn\'t lump.

Final question: Do I have to fly to Perth for this or are you practicing in Sydney periodically? And I mean you personally, not the other doctor.


4ml is a small volume - using it more so for a touchup. It went in very smoothly and did not cause any swelling. I doubt it will lump - but will be reviewing in a few weeks. The patient is very happy so far.

We are not routinely offering Ellanse just yet. We are still waiting to see what duration we get from Voluma - if it lasts 3 years then we dont need to change. The other is does Ellanse last 3/4 yrs in the formulations that it should ( the thing with Ellanse is that if we say it will last 4 yrs - it needs to last 4 yrs!). If we used enough volume it could be that we get the price down to compete with Voluma - I am hoping we can negotiate a cheaper Voluma price soon because of the amount we are using.

In the trial we used 2 yr version.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292874499

No more Ellanse at Dr. C\'s as of 7/19, no reason given- Have to say I\'m a bit bummed. It\'s Radiense or PMMA.. Looks like Dr. Oats will be breaking ground on his own. Best of luck down under Doc !! Keep us posted.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292874695

I\'ve got to say I don\'t see the point of a temporary option longer than 18 months that isn\'t reversible.

Unless you\'ve had a PE result you didn\'t like or a complication, you won\'t be able to fully empathise how it makes you feel. Thus the idea of it dissolving over 2 or 3 years doesn\'t seem too bad even if you don\'t like it. But honestly it\'s really tough mentally. I know of 2 guys who recently had HA and didn\'t like the result. They had to wait 2 weeks to get it reversed and both said it was a really tough time. It sounds a bit pathetic I know, but I understood. If you ask Reklaw what it feels like waiting for his procedure to slowly absorb over time, he\'ll tell you that it\'s mentally draining and hard to deal with. Ask Bonehead what it was like waiting years for his scaffolds to dissolve. I\'ve never come across anyone who has been unhappy with a temporary result, that didn\'t have a really hard time coping while waiting for it to absorb.

Personally I\'d stick with HA or at the most Radiesse. Any filler that can last several years and can\'t be reversed defeats the main benefit of the temporary option in my opinion. It\'s one of those things most won\'t understand until they experience it, but having a penis you don\'t like for even a few weeks can drive you crazy. If Ellanse can last 2, 3 or even 4 years, then I don\'t think it\'s a good filler for the penis. I get why it would be very appealing and understands most think they\'d be able to cope with an unsatisfactory result knowing it\'s only temporary, but from what I\'ve seen and experienced, it will effect most guys much more than they think it will.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292887378

I must say I do see the point in Ellanse. The main problem with PMMA is that you don\'t really know the health risks 5+ years down the road. You don\'t have that problem with Ellanse. The thing that makes HA unattractive in my opinion is the fact that is dissolves gradually. I just cant imagine dating someone and have my penis become smaller month after month. Also, we have the financial and time consuming aspect (+ psychological stress) of having to get refills/touch ups frequently. Then there is firmness. Wade told me via mail that HA is less firm than Ellanse. In my opinion the most important aspect really, as size is really just a means to an end. You could be very big but if you\'re not firm its not worth a lot. If you have a good practitioner I cant see why you should be very disappointed with an Ellanse injection given that you can always get touch ups if it isn\'t perfect the first time around.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292889832

Kinda what I was thinking too Johnson, although I see Hoddles point too. Looks like it\'s Radiesse for me, and hope I squeeze out 2 years. Should be calling today or tomorrow to make my appt.
I am hoping, that after Radiesse, if some kind of new super PMMA gets released or Ellanse comes back I can switch fillers. Nervous about two different compounds not agreeing with each other under the skin. I\'m not a chemist, so I have no idea if what I just said is even a valid concern.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292891297

Johnson wrote: I must say I do see the point in Ellanse. The main problem with PMMA is that you don\'t really know the health risks 5+ years down the road. You don\'t have that problem with Ellanse. The thing that makes HA unattractive in my opinion is the fact that is dissolves gradually. I just cant imagine dating someone and have my penis become smaller month after month. Also, we have the financial and time consuming aspect (+ psychological stress) of having to get refills/touch ups frequently. Then there is firmness. Wade told me via mail that HA is less firm than Ellanse. In my opinion the most important aspect really, as size is really just a means to an end. You could be very big but if you\'re not firm its not worth a lot. If you have a good practitioner I cant see why you should be very disappointed with an Ellanse injection given that you can always get touch ups if it isn\'t perfect the first time around.


But you are just outlining the appeal or incentive for doing a long term temporary procedure that isn\'t reversible. It\'s easy to demonstrate the appeal of any procedure. But it\'s really only experience that can allow for some to empathise with or fully understand the possible downsides. It\'s easy to imagine being able to mentally cope with a unsatisfactory result, with the knowledge it\'s only temporary. But the reality is usually pretty different.

I suppose analogy would be if you went to prison for 4 years you tend not to sit there thinking \"at least it wasn\'t a life sentence.\" But rather you think \"4 fucking years!\"

If you end up with a lumpy penis, that you are embarrassed about, a year will seem like a very long time, let alone 4 years. Also don\'t forget people report permanent issues with temporary particulate fillers.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292893618

I agree with Hoddle, I could go into detail about how bad it is waiting for this shit to wear off but there\'s no point because it\'s beyond most people\'s comprehension.
And it was well beyond my comprehension prior to having the procedure.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292922664

aleksk wrote: What do you all think about my low quantity approach given my goals? Or should I just stick with HA and accept that it\'s expensive as hell, will need frequent touch ups and will start dissolving as soon as I leave the doctor\'s office

I think it sounds like a good idea. I\'m looking for the same myself. 3-year Ellanse with small quantities at a time is the way to go at the moment as I see it. Does anyone know a good place to get Ellanse in Europe? Everyone seems to say that the product is much cheaper in Europe.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1292926968

Thank you aleksk - good suggestion. I just sent her an email. Will post if I get an answer.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1293058701

Nemeckova emailed me back saying she offers Metacrill and Voluma and that she can order Ellanse two weeks prior to your appointment if you opt for that as she currently doesnt have any in her clinic.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1293059984

Dr Oates - correct me if i am wrong. You may think - why do this twice in such small quantities? Well, it fits into my goals, as simple as that. Apart from a modest gain, my goal is primarily preserving aesthetic and looking natural. My other goal is the filler not starting to disappear as soon as I leave the doctor\'s office, but rather last long as such without the need of top-ups in the meantime (perhaps the 3-year version of Ellanse?).

Hi Aleksk,

I reviewed the patient with 4 ml of Ellanse on the weekend. He was very happy. He thinks it feels better - firmer (Flaccid mainly) than the Voluma. This is the guy who got a lot of swelling with having big volume HA (in a training session).

So we went ahead and did another 10 ml of Ellanse. It goes in nicely with a cannula. But even though it is about 4 weeks from his first treatment I am not sure the carrier volume has dissolved away yet.

But promising. I have about another 20 ml saved to trial on a \"virgin penis\" if his keep settling down well. I am not too concerned about vascular occlusion (comfortable with using the cannula after all these cases) but developing lumps over the next few months would not thrill me. But the carrier seems to hold the product in place well - I need to go back and see what the carrier is for PMMA.

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Ellanse 10 years 1 month ago #1294692667

aleksk wrote: Esteban Sarmentero.

Hello Aleksk,
Have you heard any reviews from Dr Esteban Sarmentero? or do you know anybody in PhalloBoards that have had a treatment with him? I have a friend who went for a consultation with him recently to have HA but wants to know a bit more about other patients results with this doctor.
Thanks in a advance,

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