TOPIC: Why you don't gain with 10% after 2-3 rounds of 30%

I\'ve come across several stories involving members who\'ve come up low, or empty, on rounds of 10%, after having previously undergone rounds of 30%, and I\'ve come up with a theory. Given the considerably lesser quantity of PMMA pellets in 10%, this filler would require a fair amount of space (figuratively speaking) to do its work (pellets being encased by your body\'s collagen following the dissipation of the carrier). If you\'ve already jammed 2-3 rounds of 30% into your Dick, obviously there\'s much less real estate (space) to give the pellets a chance to be generously encased by collagen. So in theory, there would be a *much* higher chance of multiple pellets being forced together and encased by collagen. In comparison to individually collagen-encased pellets, the multiple collagen-encased pellets would render a dramatically thinner filling.

So as an example, let\'s say John has never had PMMA before and is injected with around of 20 ml of 10%, which has about 920,000 PMMA pellets in it. The carrier dissolves, leaving plenty of space for collagen growth to form around millions of individual pellets. Months later microscopic tests on his penis show that 878,780 individual pellets have been encased by collagen in his body. His final Girth growth is .6 inches.
Peter has the same exact size penis (both length and Girth) as John but as had three rounds of 30%. His already PMMA-packed penis is also injected with 20 ml of 10%. Months later microscopic tests show that only 72,552 individual pellets have been encased by collagen. The rest are multiple-pellet encasements, which means far less collagen production. His final Girth growth is .1 inches.

Thoughts?

That\'s just a hypothesis about why the capillaries form. It\'s not 100% known why they do. Those capillaries are associated with stretched out tissue and damaged tissue, but it\'s not really a big deal. It\'s just the body tries to build additional pathways to get the blood/oxygen in there. There is enough oxygen and blood flow in all of the patients who we see here - or their tissue would die.

The penis is fine with PMMA in there. The only time doctors worry about this is when there\'s some major trauma to the blood vessels or too much pressure on the skin - and then you see Necrosis. In some cases, women have lost breast tissue or nipples - due to surgical error or poor healing / reestablishing of the blood supply after surgery. This isn\'t a risk for the PMMA procedure. It would only happen if the PMMA got injected inside a blood vessel and blocked it, but that\'s never happened with Dr. C.... only inexperienced doctors trying to do this procedure in rare cases have injected into blood vessels. Also, using a cannula lowers the risk vs. a needle.

Is there any down side to the lack of oxygen in the tissue?

Yeah they appear there in the skin. It\'s common to see that happen when women have large breast implants as well. The exact cause is unclear but it\'s possibly due to the body signaling that the tissue isn\'t getting enough oxygen due to the implant / unusual tissue. Also the PMMA causes collagen to form on the Dartos fascia which blocks lymph drainage (Dr. Alter explained to me) and causes post sex swelling, this may also stimulate blood vessel growth... as the body tried to build of another highway essentially. It\'s almost all just in the dermis. There are more Blood vessels in the fascia. Some capillaries grow through the PMMA too actually. I could see them on my biopsy slides but they are microscopic. The tissues are alive - just not as oxygenated as your normal fascia.

The body is an amazing machine. It will recognize foreign matter and will attack it anywhere anytime all the time. But, I guess if the penis shaft is full of PMMA, the scar tissue/collagen may not develop as much as in another area where there is less foreign matter. So the theory may be sound that the less \"room\" one has, the less of collagen will develop. But, collagen is dynamic so it is almost always changing and getting regenerated around foreign body.

I\'ve also noticed that.

(But) i found it interesting that the venes still appear on top of the penis \'again\' after PMMA.

The tissue that forms surrounding the PMMA beads is not the normal tissue in the penis. It\'s kind of like scar tissue. There are no blood vessels in there (perhaps a few develop over time, but it\'s not like the fascia that is normally there). On the first treatment, you\'ll have fibroblasts coming from all directions to surround the PMMA, thanks to the fascia which has not been affected yet. Once your penis is full of the stuff, it won\'t be as easy for the body to react to the PMMA and surround it. There\'s less blood flow within that space. The penis is not designed to have anything in there. That\'s one theory why multiple sessions leads to decreasing growth. It doesn\'t explain everything but that is the main explanation. There\'s still normal penile tissue under the PMMA where round #2, 3, and 4 PMMA goes, but you have to trigger a reaction from the body to get any growth. The chance of doing this if you\'re full of PMMA and scar tissue is less than if you\'re not. Some people have had better luck than others but it is not clear why.

I have been thinking about this for a while. The cost of procedure seems to keeps going up and I would like to get big gains if I can get the Balls to go through with it. I wonder about getting two rounds with as much 30% as possible and then getting micro drops on top to smooth over nodules and hard spots that might happen.

This, and I\'m also quite sure that it is a bit of a psychological effect. If you have 2 rounds of 30% and have a +.4 or +5 gain each round, a .2 gain will seem really worthless too you.

I\'d be curious if anyone ever had Necrosis or extensive capillary formation from the Elist implant. That\'s much more dangerous - and more similar to an oversized breast implant. PMMA isn\'t going to cause any kind of problem like this. There are other risks, but this is not one of them.