TOPIC: Alternatives to Dr. N for European guys

And no even one other PMMA doc in Europe?!For all of European guys who planning to go only for PMMA procedure and nothing other. Not for FFT, HA, Radiesse, Ellanse, MegaFill or other fillers, only for PMMA. What\'s your plan?1. Are you still considering to going to Dr.N despite her last cases with a bad outcomes?2. Going to Dr.C despite all specifical problems for European citizens, like travel distance, overall price, cost of plane tickets, troubles with visa for US and Mexico, etc?3. Buy somewhere PMMA and bring it to your local doc who already doing penis injections with other fillers and can make a PMMA injection for additional price? There\'s a note: where you can buy PMMA for private use and what\'s the quality of product?4. Or you will be just waiting for better solution (new PMMA doc in Europe) which will maybe never happen in the next 5 or even more years?Can someone make a poll with those options? I\'d make it myself, but don\'t know how lol.

@penisapotheosislolI\'d like to go to Dr.C but it seems almost impossible in my case for many reasons, part of them was described above.So what do you guys think in this situation? What will you do if Dr.N suddenly will dissapear or will stop doing male procedures?

To go to Mexico from Europe is not expensive. I traveled to San Francisco a month ago for 360 euros round trip (paris-frankfurt-SF) via Lufthansa, and I am flying next week to Oakland via Amsterdam/Salt Lake City for 540 euros, flight booked 5 days before departure. If I were to inject anything in my penis I would probably prefer to go to Casavantes, years ago I have been in touch with Nemacova and she didn\'t make me feel comfortable enough to try. Prague is a lovely city though and I had a good dentist remove all my fillings for half the price. As for PMMA I am still unsure if it\'s the way to go. I could probably use more Girth though. But Hyaluronic Acid seems really safer. I would probably do it if I could find a specialist in Europe, because flying far for that doesn\'t make sense

I live in Europe.... made the decision based on quality and experience NOT PRICE! If your going to get PMMA do whatever you need to do to save the money and go ONLY to proven most experienced doctor. This is NOT the time to cut corner and follow the path of lease resistance.

As others have stated travel to L.A. or San Diego is NOT that expensive. Also expect to go at least 2 times. In my experience PMMA is not a one round procedure.

Instead of focusing on savings, cost of treatment etc... focus on how you can get the money. We live in a world of abundance my friend there are so so so so so many opportunities online these days. Most people live with lies about money.. save to get rich (lie). Nobody every got rich by saving money! Get a house (another lie) Buy incoming producing property instead. Money does not grow on trees (lies and more BS small minded thinking). Most are looking to get comfortable in life with nice house, job, car, etc.. F&^K that!!! Goal is freedom not comfort! The freedom to fly to Mexico to the best doctor for as many rounds as you want to have the freedom to have the size you want.

Androfill clinic in UK now also offers ellanse...
These are the prices:
www.androfill.com/price-information/

So I think for the time being,there isn\'t many other places to go.Prices are actually quite similar compared to Dr. Oates\' clinic,so around 4000 euros on the average for 10 ml..
I think I might be going through with it. I just need a little more time to be 100% sure ,and of course to put just a little bit more money aside.

Is actually quite exiting, glad it's available here now.

It s actuslly really positive that a company such Androfill start doing Ellanse. They are a leader in those kind of procedures and this will probably encourage many smaller clinic to start offering it and see thevtechnique improving.

alexei wrote: Androfill clinic in UK now also offers ellanse...
These are the prices:
www.androfill.com/price-information/

So I think for the time being,there isn\'t many other places to go.Prices are actually quite similar compared to Dr. Oates\' clinic,so around 4000 euros on the average for 10 ml..
I think I might be going through with it. I just need a little more time to be 100% sure ,and of course to put just a little bit more money aside.

So it seems Androfil are using it aswell as Moorgate ! Thats great news though i hope they change their procedure to use a cannula .

Hmm this really puts me in a pickle. I was all set to have my HA dissolved and had my mind made up about going to Mexico for a visit to Dr.C but now this is available (an hour from my house) it changes things somewhat.

Its not permanent but possibly better aesthetic outcome against something permanent but slightly more risky in terms of aesthetics.

Also Dr. Horn just doens\'t make me feel good about things and doesn\'t really seem to care or at least show that he does. I would almost prefer to go to Mexico and give Dr. C my money!

What would other people do? Money isn\'t an issue as if i need to pay more for the penis i want im happy to do it.

The one big draw for me for PMMA is the ability to over a course of two or three trips completely address the issue and not have to worry about it again (hopefully). Draw a line under my size insecurities and move on with my life.

The idea of knowing that eventually after 2/3/4 years I will be returning to my previous size and need to go through the whole process again is the biggest turn off about temporary fillers. You can\'t just get things dealt with and move on.

I\'m currently

6.7 inches EL
7.2 inches BPEL
and 5 inches MSEG

The Girth is after 18ml of HA over the course of 2 years.

My original MSEG was 4.7 inches

Hmmm, what to do!?

Well,its up to you,brother. I gave up on PMMA because of few reasons,1.) I don\'t want to be Circumcised,2.) Its too far away from Turin and requires multiple procedures to get the job done,3.) In case of complications,I cannot just hop on a plane and go to Tj,my job simply doesn\'t allow me to..
But as far as I\'ve understand, dr. C and his team really do care about their patients well-being, and respond immidiately if some problems show up after the procedure, kudos to them !
I\'m going to try Ellanse. But like I\'ve said earlier,I just need a little bit more time to save some extra cash,and to do some more research about the whole thing.

I would be hoping that I would\'nt need to be Circumcised after PMMA. Any size increase that is substantial enough to warrant circumcisions surely will be the same with Ellanse no?

If I\'m not mistaken,I think is highly advised to do the Circumcision BEFORE the procedure,not after,because of the so-called \'accordion\' effect that occurs with uncircumcised patients..


But honestly man,at 6.7 in Erect length,just leave it be...

mediatps wrote: Hmm this really puts me in a pickle. I was all set to have my HA dissolved and had my mind made up about going to Mexico for a visit to Dr.C but now this is available (an hour from my house) it changes things somewhat.

Its not permanent but possibly better aesthetic outcome against something permanent but slightly more risky in terms of aesthetics.

Also Dr. Horn just doens\'t make me feel good about things and doesn\'t really seem to care or at least show that he does. I would almost prefer to go to Mexico and give Dr. C my money!

What would other people do? Money isn\'t an issue as if i need to pay more for the penis i want im happy to do it.

The one big draw for me for PMMA is the ability to over a course of two or three trips completely address the issue and not have to worry about it again (hopefully). Draw a line under my size insecurities and move on with my life.

The idea of knowing that eventually after 2/3/4 years I will be returning to my previous size and need to go through the whole process again is the biggest turn off about temporary fillers. You can\'t just get things dealt with and move on.

I\'m currently

6.7 inches EL
7.2 inches BPEL
and 5 inches MSEG

The Girth is after 18ml of HA over the course of 2 years.

My original MSEG was 4.7 inches

Hmmm, what to do!?

Yep totally with you on Dr Horn ! I really don\'t like him either , i had 3 procedures from him and he looked like he didn\'t give a shit .

But the black doctor at Moorgate i actually liked and trusted him ,they actually perform at the same building as Androfil only upstairs which is a little awkward especially when i bumped into Francis ! They use a cannula and give you a shot of something to get hard
( which i never did maybe 50% Erect )

This Dr C sounds very good but don\'t rule out Moorgate . I\'l be looking to get it done next year also.

After one year from starting this thread, we probably finally have an alternative to Dr.N for Europeans: phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/new...9836112?&trail=15P.S . Thanks to @Superman

Herbert West wrote: After one year from starting this thread, we probably finally have an alternative to Dr.N for Europeans: phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/new...9836112?&trail=15P.S . Thanks to @Superman

Not with a needle.