TOPIC: Elist Implant Upgrade

Please no hate mail! I had Elist implant 1 yr ago and have had great results. Elist mentioned after first implant that I had adequate skin to get an upgrade to the one he put in after 1-2 yrs of healing. I am at 1 year point and am considering upgrade. Interested to hear from anyone who has had the upgrade done. Just want to hear from people who have had the upgrade implant. Thanks!

johndoe100771 wrote: Please no hate mail! I had Elist implant 1 yr ago and have had great results. Elist mentioned after first implant that I had adequate skin to get an upgrade to the one he put in after 1-2 yrs of healing. I am at 1 year point and am considering upgrade. Interested to hear from anyone who has had the upgrade done. Just want to hear from people who have had the upgrade implant. Thanks!

Why do you feel you'd get "hate mail?" The community here has a decade-long history with this method and practitioner, but that doesn't mean we "hate" people who decide to get it. Although I should point out that this forum has had a history of shills as well, people who work directly for a doctor and make up fake testimonials to drive business. One has to wonder, if you think you're going to get "hate mail" here, what makes you think anyone is going to encourage your "upgrade?"

This forum will be launching the NO-SILICONE-ZONE! (PSA) that will have the endorsements of not only all PhalloBoard's Sponsors, but some Non-Sponsors as well. Silicone (whether filler or rigid implant) for purposes of cosmetic enhancement in the penis is an obsolete method that poses unacceptable complications, both in frequency and severity.

If you're not a shill, then if you're going to get anything done at all, Removal might be a better option than "an upgrade." There are far better, less invasive and less problematic options available to men nowadays, why even bother with this any longer?

I'm also wondering why you chose this category to post this in?

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Skeptical One,

You mentioned in your message:

“Silicone (whether filler or rigid implant) for purposes of cosmetic enhancement in the penis is an obsolete method that poses unacceptable complications, both in frequency and severity. .... There are far better, less invasive and less problematic options available to men nowadays, why even bother with this any longer?”

I am curious what are the “far better methods”

To my knowledge and from my research I’ve found the following:
- Dermal implant
- Penuma implant
- Dr Loria’s non-invasive filler

I am interested in have my Alloderm correct/upgraded and looking for the best option. I have surgery in 2007 performed by Dr Rosenthal formally under Beverly Hills Surgical. The implant covers only approximate 1/3 of the top & sides and my stretching devise he did send for over 4 months. Any way I’ll spare you the details.

I’ve considered going to another doctors who can complete the alloderm implant and clean up the original surgery.
Penuma would require Removal of alloderm, a healing period and then the Penuma
I’ve not yet contacted Loria.

Any suggestions to what these “better methods” are and names of doctors who perform that would be very much appreciated.
Thank for your time

I have seen other threads prior to my last implant where people are trashing people for going for the implant. Posted it here because I thought this was a forum for open discussion about enhancement of the penis. As far as a whatever you call it a "shill" or whatever, the only thimng I said was I had great results. Not like I went into a laundry list of the benefits of it and I really dont care what you think. I am interested in talking to anyone who has gone back for an upgrade. If you dont like the implant, great; dont comment and scroll on. No one will comment on here in a positive manner because of people like you who do what you did. This is an open forum and we should be able to have open and honest discussion about whatever method we choose. You want to give advise, say what you said in the last part of your post. Not the first part.

bjphallo wrote: Skeptical One,

You mentioned in your message:

“Silicone (whether filler or rigid implant) for purposes of cosmetic enhancement in the penis is an obsolete method that poses unacceptable complications, both in frequency and severity. .... There are far better, less invasive and less problematic options available to men nowadays, why even bother with this any longer?”

I am curious what are the “far better methods”

To my knowledge and from my research I’ve found the following:
- Dermal implant
- Penuma implant
- Dr Loria’s non-invasive filler

I am interested in have my Alloderm correct/upgraded and looking for the best option. I have surgery in 2007 performed by Dr Rosenthal formally under Beverly Hills Surgical. The implant covers only approximate 1/3 of the top & sides and my stretching devise he did send for over 4 months. Any way I’ll spare you the details.

I’ve considered going to another doctors who can complete the alloderm implant and clean up the original surgery.
Penuma would require Removal of alloderm, a healing period and then the Penuma
I’ve not yet contacted Loria.

Any suggestions to what these “better methods” are and names of doctors who perform that would be very much appreciated.
Thank for your time

This posting is precisely what startles me and emboldens my pursuit of expanding this forum's visibility. Dr. Loria PLATINUM and The Penuma are hands down the two worst options available right now. Dr. Loria injects silicone, whereas Dr. Elist's (or any of the handful of "trained" Elist physicians) implant is rigid and inherently flawed. There is plenty of information found on these forums, I'm afraid your current scope of research was limited to what the doctors wanted you to see.

In my opinion, dermal fillers are probably the best Girth option available. Surgimend is the only surgical option I'd recommend but is similar to Alloderm so perhaps this wouldn't be your cup of tea. There is an abundance of content spanning a decade that I encourage you to review, including this forum (PB 3.0), the previous PhalloBoards.websitetoolbox.com (PB 2.0), and the original Phalloplasty.proboards.com

I highly recommend Dr. Solomon of Philadelphia and Beverly Hills to Revision work: he's seeing a lot of former Dr. Rosenthal patients, and is well acquainted with the procedure you had done. I would have your situation corrected, as Dr. Solomon will not layer more dermal graft (his technique uses Surgimend and only one layer to prevent complication) but since he's seen these more than anyone else I'm aware of, he's likely to be the best candidate to correct the situation.

Good luck.
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johndoe100771 wrote: I have seen other threads prior to my last implant where people are trashing people for going for the implant. Posted it here because I thought this was a forum for open discussion about enhancement of the penis. As far as a whatever you call it a "shill" or whatever, the only thimng I said was I had great results. Not like I went into a laundry list of the benefits of it and I really dont care what you think. I am interested in talking to anyone who has gone back for an upgrade. If you dont like the implant, great; dont comment and scroll on. No one will comment on here in a positive manner because of people like you who do what you did. This is an open forum and we should be able to have open and honest discussion about whatever method we choose. You want to give advise, say what you said in the last part of your post. Not the first part.

I'm this site's Administrator, I'll post whatever & wherever I damn please. No one has bashed people for actually getting the implant, and the few who have were warned or suspended. What you may be seeing are people bashing the obsolete & dangerous rigid silicone implant, and rightfully so.

This forum enjoys an "open discussion" because it was created in response to Dr. Elist's attempts to silence the free flow of information nearly a decade ago, but you've been suckered like those who are scammed by a pyramid scheme artist but still refuse to see the light.

Anyone here who's reading this, a decade of authentic patient review/testimonial paints a clear picture of how flawed and risky the rigid silicone implant is, let alone upgrading to a larger, more protruding size. As a matter of fact, in a decade's time I don't think I've seen anyone seriously ask about an upgrade because their "2nd" procedure is often Removal.
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johndoe100771 wrote: Please no hate mail! I had Elist implant 1 yr ago and have had great results. Elist mentioned after first implant that I had adequate skin to get an upgrade to the one he put in after 1-2 yrs of healing. I am at 1 year point and am considering upgrade. Interested to hear from anyone who has had the upgrade done. Just want to hear from people who have had the upgrade implant. Thanks!

I am also at the 1 year mark and would like to hear from anyone that has done an upgrade. Mine has went well as yours did. Not necessarily considering an upgrade, but love to hear if anyone has gotten one.

On a separate note I see things in phallo 3.0 haven’t changed towards penuma implant guys.

Herman Da German wrote:

johndoe100771 wrote: Please no hate mail! I had Elist implant 1 yr ago and have had great results. Elist mentioned after first implant that I had adequate skin to get an upgrade to the one he put in after 1-2 yrs of healing. I am at 1 year point and am considering upgrade. Interested to hear from anyone who has had the upgrade done. Just want to hear from people who have had the upgrade implant. Thanks!

I am also at the 1 year mark and would like to hear from anyone that has done an upgrade. Mine has went well as yours did. Not necessarily considering an upgrade, but love to hear if anyone has gotten one.

On a separate note I see things in phallo 3.0 haven’t changed towards penuma implant guys.

I'm not going to let you or anyone perpetuate this myth. I have never and will never tolerate a poor reception of men who are verified recipients of the rigid silicone implant unless they demonstrate the typical hallmarks of a shill or troll (i.e. lack of photo evidence, extraordinary & glowing reviews, and the continuous insistence that past complications were the fault of the patient). I have never considered you a shill Herman Da German, despite my reluctance to allow these Elist implant testimonials "take up airwaves" on my forum. I remain committed to the impartial flow of information and that includes the legitimate review of the so-called "penuma." Only the topic of S-L-E has been universally banned from the forum, for reasons outlined on 2.0.

Let's not mistake the attitude of the forum's Moderators and Community toward those who actually underwent the procedure as unwelcoming. On the contrary, every and any man who shows up to this forum seeking information and guidance will find an anonymous refuge and unparalleled resource. The "negative" consensus you perceive isn't about those who got the implant, but about the implant itself.

Why would you, Herman Da German (especially), find this a surprise given the sheer & overwhelming information available on these forums as it pertains to this doctor, method, and history in question? You've been around for a while, this surely can't be a surprise. Did you think PB 3.0 would enter the new decade somehow forgetting the past decade of damning evidence regarding this methodology?

@Forum Members

Keep your eyes peeled, I'll be promoting a non-profit (and out-of-pocket) Public Service Announcement regarding the dangers of using silicone in any form/compound/iteration for the purposes of cosmetic/aesthetic enhancement of the penis, especially for purposes of augmentation (Note* -> this PSA does not consider implants for the purposes of erectile dysfunction treatment as part of the same family of procedures). I already have quite a few professional endorsements (including Doctors & Researchers) and it will represent the first step to standardization in a field largely regarded as experimental by the (largely out-of-touch) aesthetic medical community.
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Skeptical One,

You mentioned S-L-E. Could you explain a bit more so I and perhaps other new members are more clear can watch out for S-L-E?
Is this in reference to Surgery Life Enhancement - Surgeons Dr. Ricardo & Dr. Colorado?
If yes, is it something specific or their entire practice in general?

Thanks
(FYI Dr Solomon's site is back up, awaiting his response to my case. Thanks for passing his name along)