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Fusion Thick procedure 2 weeks 4 days ago #1308725632

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If PMMA is injected after the HA layer foundation is set, wouldn’t that leave lumps on the penis once the HA completely dissolves after 1-2 years?

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Fusion Thick procedure 3 days 4 hours ago #1308725799

It depends on how the HA was placed. If there was clumping, unevenness, or inflammation with that HA foundation, then yes, the PMMA result would also be "lumpy." But if the HA foundation was placed correctly and smoothly, then no, you wouldn't end up with an uneven appearance after the HA dissolves since it gradually dissipates as the body breaks it down rather than disappearing in "chunks."

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Fusion Thick procedure 2 days 15 hours ago #1308725804

This is a confusing explanation. Let me explain. The reason patients don’t feel lumps and nodules when they get HA first and then PMMA is because the HA is concealing the PMMA. Once the HA has dissolved and the Bella fill is exposed the body will react the same to the Belleville as it did without HA. Why would it react any differently to the PMMA with HA versus without HA I believe there are patients that react very strongly to PMMA and there are patients that don’t act very strongly to PMMA and therefore do not develop nodules bumps, and lumps. Is there any clinical literature to back up this claim or is it purely anecdotal through short term observations of less than a few years on patients that may return? I am in no way questioning experience or expertise, but I don’t think this explanation makes much medical sense.
Again I don’t mean any disrespect, just trying to make sense of this explanation

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Fusion Thick procedure 4 hours 14 minutes ago #1308725813

I think the disconnect here is that you're assuming the HA is simply "concealing" the PMMA until the HA disappears. That isn't what Dr. Carney is describing.

The concern with PMMA isn't as simple as, "this person's body reacts strongly to PMMA, therefore it will react exactly the same way regardless of how, where, or in what amount the PMMA is introduced."

Patient-specific immune response absolutely matters. That's one of the reasons Dr. Carney is cautious with permanent filler in the first place. But technique, volume, distribution, tissue plane, local inflammation, and the condition of the tissue receiving the filler also matter.

There is published literature supporting that broader point. PMMA research has found that injection technique and location can affect the development of nodules and adverse inflammatory reactions, even when the material itself is unchanged. Published penile PMMA literature has likewise attributed irregularities and Nodule formation at least in part to injection technique and post-injection factors.

What we are NOT claiming is that there is a published randomized clinical trial of Rejuvall's specific HA-first FusionThick protocol proving that HA somehow changes the chemical composition of PMMA or permanently prevents every possible future inflammatory reaction. There isn't, to my knowledge, a study of that exact protocol, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise.

This protocol comes from Dr. Carney's clinical experience treating both primary enhancement patients and a significant number of patients who come to him with complications from previous filler procedures.

The purpose of the HA foundation is also not to "hide" badly placed PMMA. If PMMA were simply being injected into an irregular pattern and HA were covering those irregularities, I would agree with you that removing the HA from the equation would eventually reveal the underlying problem.

That's not the technique.

The goal is to establish a smooth, controlled tissue contour first and then introduce permanent filler conservatively and strategically rather than attempting to create the entire desired increase with permanent material in untreated tissue all at once.

And there is an important distinction between a **mechanical lump caused by product distribution** and a **delayed inflammatory Nodule or foreign-body granuloma**. Those are not necessarily the same biological event.

In fact, published filler literature repeatedly makes that distinction. Nodules can result from localized filler accumulation, fibrosis, injection technique, or inflammatory/granulomatous reactions. PMMA granulomas can also appear months or even years later, which is exactly why Dr. Carney does not consider permanent filler something that should be approached casually.

So yes, individual immune response is part of the equation. Dr. Carney would agree with you on that point.

Where I disagree is the conclusion that immune response is therefore the *only* meaningful variable and that PMMA must behave identically regardless of how the procedure is staged or performed. The medical literature doesn't support that conclusion either.

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