TOPIC: My Plan of Attack!!! I want your opinion!!

Ok guys so I\'ve been doing a lot of thinking of how i want to go about increasing my member, and heres my plan. I would love to hear the opinions of my PhalloBoards brothers. So I\'ve been Hanging for a while. Slow and steady gains but nothing extreme. So I\'ve decided to take this to the next level. My first step will be getting length surgery by having my ligs cut. I know the surgery alone dont give you gains but i believe this enhance the stretching and and Hanging process. I do believe length surgery works going in knowing you have to do after can work to get it.
2-3 Months after surgery and Hanging i want to get Belladerm. The reason I want belleaderm because it is a natural material and would like to test that before getting PMMA. Im not worried about a little absorbtion because that where ill move to step 3.
4-5 months after Belladerm or sooner than that depending I would want to get PMMA put on top of it. Reason being i will already have Belladerm and im no looking forward to keep flying back and fourth to Mexico so im hoping to get a good increase within 2 sessions. Im already gonna have some pre Girth from the bella derm.
Througout this entire process i will continue to hang and use a ADS. I truly believe length surgery will work but you just have to do the work after to get there. I want to do the under groin lig cut instead of right on the pubic bone. the scar is just unsightly to me even with the hair their. And I wouldnt want the poor girl to have to stare at it performing oral. Im puking at the thought of it.. lol.. I just Hate the sight on scars on people. Even while watching porn. while Fapping If I see a scar on they guy or girl i will go limp instantly. I know its weird to be that way but i just cant help it.
Back to the task at hand. im 5x5 right now Erect. by the end if this process which may take a year and a half i want to be at least 7x6.5. I will Like to know from you guys that had length and Girth surgery am i being realistic or am i dreaming? Is this a good Plan of attack?Also what doctor do you guys reccomend for length surgery under the groin and Belladerm? Im from the ghetto and would never have thoughtit would be possible for me to get these surgeries. Im projected to make over $100k this year and want to give my penis some attention.
Thanks so much guys, I cant wait to hear your opinions on my plan. thanks.

I would speak to Yarstick if he is still on this forum. He had Belladerm and is still threatening to sue the doctor. But everyone has different views and experiences. Advice should come from people who have had it done. I had alloderm in the early stages and it made little difference.

If you are looking for a base on which to add PMMA then wouldn\'t FFT be a better option than Belloderm? Any material that is grafted onto the penis can cause scarring and shortening. In the last few weeks I\'ve noticed a bit of a come back for the \"old\" procedures. People didn\'t go looking for alternatives, such as PMMA, because to the great results we were seeing with older methods. You still will only find a handful of surgeons in the entires US performing any sort of PE surgery and as I\'ve said many times before, this isn\'t because they don\'t like money.

Also where is your evidence that lig cutting aids the lengthening process. I\'m still yet to see a measure before and after Erect photo. I haven\'t noticed any of the members of ths board who have had lig cutting reporting gains at a rate that suggest it\'s worth while.

I think the only availible source of patient provided dermal graft (allo/bella/fat) complication info is from veterans of the various PE forums that have come and gone over the years (hoddle10, miracle7, etc.). The yahoo PE group is defunct, MNS is gone, TP has few reports, and members with known dermal graft complications on the old PB (yardstick, candybars) have either chosen to delete their posts or never posted publicly. I have been looking for testimonial info on dermal graft surgery but there\'s not much. What I gather from other members is that risks associated with these procedures are unnacceptably high. EQ student posted data on alloderm complication rates that Dr. Whitehead compiled: phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/Com...es-(ongoing)-5404689

The question is what is an acceptable level of risk to you? I\'m still on the fence about allo/bella implantation, but all things considered it may be the best procedure for me.

I am an allo-vet as is messageman amongst others. there was a thread regarding the procedure (had mine done by Rosenthal)- I posted there but haven\'t checked back recently as that chapter of mine has closed. I had a great result with diminishing returns (over 6+years).. but never to a point where I would say don\'t do it- rather, view it as a \'semi-permanent\' solution or the beginning of a journey. I have had one session of PMMA (10%) since that evened out any cosmetic issues caused by the allo. Several of us members believe that these prior procedures lead to a better cosmetic result from PMMA do the \'degloving\'. I fucked like a rock star with allo for many years- well worth the investment. Just needed sprucing up. Next!

Rondo wrote: I am an allo-vet as is messageman amongst others. there was a thread regarding the procedure (had mine done by Rosenthal)- I posted there but haven\'t checked back recently as that chapter of mine has closed. I had a great result with diminishing returns (over 6+years).. but never to a point where I would say don\'t do it- rather, view it as a \'semi-permanent\' solution or the beginning of a journey. I have had one session of PMMA (10%) since that evened out any cosmetic issues caused by the allo. Several of us members believe that these prior procedures lead to a better cosmetic result from PMMA do the \'degloving\'. I fucked like a rock star with allo for many years- well worth the investment. Just needed sprucing up. Next!

I think in most cases degloving would be less advantageous as the skin would be slighlty less compliant and there would be some scarring. I know Dr C has said otherwise, but he also said pumping is more negative than positive and results we\'ve see suggest that isn\'t true. Pumping would do the opposite to degloving, in that it would make the skin more pliable. M7 was delgoved, as was Mikehok and Londonlad and none of them gained more than 1cm.

It\'s interesting what you said about sprucing up though. Effectively I guess you mean smoothing out uneven areas and adding abit of volume? I certainly wouldn\'t advise any dermal matrix for this purpose, but it does make having FFT seem more appealing. I\'m personally very much in favour of using as little PMMA as possible. But if a year after FFT a small amount of 10% PMMA could be used to even out any irregularites and firm up any softness then that could be a viable option.

hoddle10 wrote: If you are looking for a base on which to add PMMA then wouldn\'t FFT be a better option than Belloderm? Any material that is grafted onto the penis can cause scarring and shortening. In the last few weeks I\'ve noticed a bit of a come back for the \"old\" procedures. People didn\'t go looking for alternatives, such as PMMA, because to the great results we were seeing with older methods. You still will only find a handful of surgeons in the entires US performing any sort of PE surgery and as I\'ve said many times before, this isn\'t because they don\'t like money.

Also where is your evidence that lig cutting aids the lengthening process. I\'m still yet to see a measure before and after Erect photo. I haven\'t noticed any of the members of ths board who have had lig cutting reporting gains at a rate that suggest it\'s worth while.

I actually dont have any proof of li cutting aiding the lengthing process. Im just talking out of my ass so to speak..lol. But is seems to make sense since you dont have anything holding the penis back from stretching to its Max. A little confused about FFT. Is that the procedure of cutting from the thigh? or lipo from a fatty area. If so from what i thought the FFT will desolve quick. Am I correct?

Rondo wrote: I am an allo-vet as is messageman amongst others. there was a thread regarding the procedure (had mine done by Rosenthal)- I posted there but haven\'t checked back recently as that chapter of mine has closed. I had a great result with diminishing returns (over 6+years).. but never to a point where I would say don\'t do it- rather, view it as a \'semi-permanent\' solution or the beginning of a journey. I have had one session of PMMA (10%) since that evened out any cosmetic issues caused by the allo. Several of us members believe that these prior procedures lead to a better cosmetic result from PMMA do the \'degloving\'. I fucked like a rock star with allo for many years- well worth the investment. Just needed sprucing up. Next!

I actually wanted to get the allo or bella to Assist with the PMMA. Im not looking Foward to going back and fourth to Mexico 3-4 times getting this procedure. $2,000 a pop plus hotel and airfare adds up. I believe its cheap because of the numerous times you have to keep going back. I agree hoodle that a lot of people are falling back to the old procedures for that reason. It just seems bothersome to have to keep going back time after time. If they can figure out a way to break it down to 2 sessions hat would be ideal. I live in NJ so its a bit out ofm way. If you live in Arizona. Nevada, or Cali then it shouldnt be a problem for those folks.

@ Rondo, What made you go with alloderm instead of Belladerm? And how long was the healing process? any complications? And how long was the wait to have sex?

New1inch wrote: @ Rondo, What made you go with alloderm instead of Belladerm? And how long was the healing process? any complications? And how long was the wait to have sex?

Belladerm wasn\'t around when Rondo had Alloderm. Rosenthal claims he thinks it\'s better than Alloderm, but in myopinion this is utter BS. I belive Dr Solomon has already stopped using it. One of our members (at the old site and on MNS) called Candybars had Belloderm with Solomon and it started to thin and feel stringy in less than a year.

New1inch wrote:

hoddle10 wrote: If you are looking for a base on which to add PMMA then wouldn\'t FFT be a better option than Belloderm? Any material that is grafted onto the penis can cause scarring and shortening. In the last few weeks I\'ve noticed a bit of a come back for the \"old\" procedures. People didn\'t go looking for alternatives, such as PMMA, because to the great results we were seeing with older methods. You still will only find a handful of surgeons in the entires US performing any sort of PE surgery and as I\'ve said many times before, this isn\'t because they don\'t like money.

Also where is your evidence that lig cutting aids the lengthening process. I\'m still yet to see a measure before and after Erect photo. I haven\'t noticed any of the members of ths board who have had lig cutting reporting gains at a rate that suggest it\'s worth while.

I actually dont have any proof of li cutting aiding the lengthing process. Im just talking out of my ass so to speak..lol. But is seems to make sense since you dont have anything holding the penis back from stretching to its Max. A little confused about FFT. Is that the procedure of cutting from the thigh? or lipo from a fatty area. If so from what i thought the FFT will desolve quick. Am I correct?

FFT is fat injection and yes it can and usually does absorb. However, most people are left with some gains, even though they are often uneven. They usually go back for further fat injections, but I was suggesting that you could perhaps get an injection of fat and build on that with PMMA. It\'s not something I\'d recommend per ser, but would rather do that than have a dermal matrix and then do PMMA. The reason is that you are far more likley to have serious complications with Belloderm than FFT and I\'d guess the base size you\'d get from either would be about the same. Soma had Bello then PMMA and was happy. But likewise JAM and IDM both had FFT followed by PMMA and were happy. FFT is cheaper and safer.

Hi New1inch,
I had penile lengthening and alloderm in 2007 by Dr. Rosenthall, I used only the Grip system for 8 months (no ADS) ---> May be I gained only mild FL but no gain in EL and I lost almost all of the alloderm after 10 months (my Flaccid diameter went back to 3 cm before my 1st PMMA injection).
May be some people had great results with alloderm or Belladerm or DFG and with the lengthening procedure but it was not in my case.
It was mentioned that 50%-100% of these grafts will be absorbed mostly in the 1st year.
So in regard of what you said about 1st Belladerm and then PMMA and the reason for that in your opinion is to reduce the no. of PMMA\'s sessions e.g. from 4 --> 2 sessions :-
\"Im not looking Foward to going back and fourth to Mexico 3-4 times getting this procedure. $2,000 a pop plus hotel and airfare adds up. \"
My answer to that :-
1- The best answer for that is to have the opinion of the guys who had any type of allograft (alloderm or Belladerm or DFG) before their PMMA and to ask them would they do it again if they were in your position ? In my case my answer is NO.
2- There is a possibility of loosing almost all of the graft and not always only partial loss in the future so you would need e.g. still 4 sessions of PMMA. Wouldn\'t that be more costly ?? (+ more risk).
3- The complications of allografts are great if they did happened (severe penile infection, permanent penile shortening, penile deformity and fistula formation esp. if you open the field again even if it was only with a needle insertion and not only with a skin incision).
4- If you ask your doctor this Q. :- If in the future after my Belladerm I decide to have more Girth enhancement e.g. Belladerm or any other material (e.g. FFT injection) Is there a chance of a higher risk of infection for my old graft?? All of the phalloplastic surgeons are afraid of severe penile infection if they have to go back for more Girth enhancement, e.g. Dr. Rosenthall insisted NO water coming near to the wound for 3 wks and to take an antibiotic for the same period (the reason for that is obvious he must have seen or heard of penile infection i.e. open wound small or big + allograft + water ---> definitely you will have severe infection).
I have mentioned this story before:- My friend and I had alloderm in 2007 by Dr.R. and after around 10 months we went to Dr. Samy Passy for PMMA injection I had no complication afterwards but my friend had prolonged oozing from his entry point near the glans and he was so careless he allowed water coming to the wounds ---> severe penile infection ---> surgery for the Removal of the infected old alloderm and his PMMA , now he is fine and his Girth is still bigger than what was his penis before the PMMA injection i.e. he still has some PMMA in his penis.

I am not saying that PMMA has no complication, the answer is NO, but I wouldn\'t combine two products with each other in my penis just for the reduction in the no. of the sessions of PMMA.
I will advise everyone here who did not have PMMA and they are so worried about its risk is to wait for at least a year and during that they can follow the progress of the PMMA penile members and to concentrate on the penile length (without doing any harm to their penis).

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FFT is fat injection and yes it can and usually does absorb. However, most people are left with some gains, even though they are often uneven. They usually go back for further fat injections, but I was suggesting that you could perhaps get an injection of fat and build on that with PMMA. It\'s not something I\'d recommend per ser, but would rather do that than have a dermal matrix and then do PMMA. The reason is that you are far more likley to have serious complications with Belloderm than FFT and I\'d guess the base size you\'d get from either would be about the same. Soma had Bello then PMMA and was happy. But likewise JAM and IDM both had FFT followed by PMMA and were happy. FFT is cheaper and safer.
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Wow Hoodle.. its like listening to a professor on PE.. Haha.. I really appreciate it. Very informative. Thats giving me a whole lot to think about. Im starting to think my plan of attack is dangerous...lol.. Thats why I like coming here. If this forum wasnt here I might of went of and got my penis F**ked up..Thanks hoodle

smartman wrote: Hi New1inch,
I had penile lengthening and alloderm in 2007 by Dr. Rosenthall, I used only the Grip system for 8 months (no ADS) ---> May be I gained only mild FL but no gain in EL and I lost almost all of the alloderm after 10 months (my Flaccid diameter went back to 3 cm before my 1st PMMA injection).
May be some people had great results with alloderm or Belladerm or DFG and with the lengthening procedure but it was not in my case.
It was mentioned that 50%-100% of these grafts will be absorbed mostly in the 1st year.
So in regard of what you said about 1st Belladerm and then PMMA and the reason for that in your opinion is to reduce the no. of PMMA\'s sessions e.g. from 4 --> 2 sessions :-
\"Im not looking Foward to going back and fourth to Mexico 3-4 times getting this procedure. $2,000 a pop plus hotel and airfare adds up. \"
My answer to that :-
1- The best answer for that is to have the opinion of the guys who had any type of allograft (alloderm or Belladerm or DFG) before their PMMA and to ask them would they do it again if they were in your position ? In my case my answer is NO.
2- There is a possibility of loosing almost all of the graft and not always only partial loss in the future so you would need e.g. still 4 sessions of PMMA. Wouldn\'t that be more costly ?? (+ more risk).
3- The complications of allografts are great if they did happened (severe penile infection, permanent penile shortening, penile deformity and fistula formation esp. if you open the field again even if it was only with a needle insertion and not only with a skin incision).
4- If you ask your doctor this Q. :- If in the future after my Belladerm I decide to have more Girth enhancement e.g. Belladerm or any other material (e.g. FFT injection) Is there a chance of a higher risk of infection for my old graft?? All of the phalloplastic surgeons are afraid of severe penile infection if they have to go back for more Girth enhancement, e.g. Dr. Rosenthall insisted NO water coming near to the wound for 3 wks and to take an antibiotic for the same period (the reason for that is obvious he must have seen or heard of penile infection i.e. open wound small or big + allograft + water ---> definitely you will have severe infection).
I have mentioned this story before:- My friend and I had alloderm in 2007 by Dr.R. and after around 10 months we went to Dr. Samy Passy for PMMA injection I had no complication afterwards but my friend had prolonged oozing from his entry point near the glans and he was so careless he allowed water coming to the wounds ---> severe penile infection ---> surgery for the Removal of the infected old alloderm and his PMMA , now he is fine and his Girth is still bigger than what was his penis before the PMMA injection i.e. he still has some PMMA in his penis.

I am not saying that PMMA has no complication, the answer is NO, but I wouldn\'t combine two products with each other in my penis just for the reduction in the no. of the sessions of PMMA.
I will advise everyone here who did not have PMMA and they are so worried about its risk is to wait for at least a year and during that they can follow the progress of the PMMA penile members and to concentrate on the penile length (without doing any harm to their penis).

Thanks for breaking it down For me. Im starting to think I should ax the length surgery and do manual streches and Hanging for a few months. By the time i decide for PMMA it should be a year since the first guy recieved it on the old website. So I\'ll give myself 6 months of length excercises. If Im Happy with the small gain I recieve them i\'ll go for the PMMA. Ill try to get as much as possible the docs will allow in one session. That may be safer for me. what do you think?

I would agree with you to conc. now on the penile lengthening (but without doing any harm to your penis) for 6-12 months and at the same time to follow the progress of the members here not only with the penile PMMA but also with the other procedures, and then you can decide which procedure will be better for you.
IMO Dr. C. is doing his best to get as much as he can the best result from PMMA penile injection, as we know in PMMA injection you cannot have the best (100%) aesthetic result (it contains micro-spheres so you will never get a perfect smooth surface on touch) so it will be a big challenge for him esp. he is injecting PMMA in a dynamic organ and it will need a long period of time for perfection for him, so thats why Dr. C. is injecting mostly lower conc. with lower volumes and only by this technique it will be easy for him to get as much as he can a better aesthetic result for us (but it won\'t be easy always) in the other hand if he did the opposite (I am sure he tried it in the beginning but he got unpleasant aesthetic results) he will not control and get the best result for us.
I had 2 sessions and I reached my target Girth but I need to go for touch-ups, but it doesn\'t mean everyone will have a satisfied result if you go for only 2 big sessions, I would prefer to go to someone who wants to give me a better aesthetic result even if I needed 4 sessions than to go to another one who gives me a huge ugly looking penis in 2 sessions .
N.B. The experience of the doctor in both (injecting the PMMA and the options of the treatment of their complications if they did happen) are very important.