TOPIC: Please help.......

@hoddle10

Please, I\'m having difficulties researching the HA discussions and the posts of guys who\'ve already done it. Any links?

Thanks in advance ...

BOBUSA wrote: @ hoddle.

I have knowledge dude. I have tons of common sense and experience.

Ask yourself this .
Why would Dr Korea be so threatened by PMMA? Why not he just do it himself if it\'s so great.


The topic might have been discussed to death... but maybe you guys aren\'t seeing the wood for the trees. You can not get this stuff out !

PMMA beads are produced in China - seriously,common sense , Chinese plastic in my Dick - no thanks.

generic versions made in Brazil ? - No thanks.

I am no chemist or doctor. But look for example at that Elist implant. Did you need a medical degree to take one look at that and think hmmm... does not look right.

I think people DO need some common sense advice.
And it is NOT common sense to stick plastic from anywhere in your Dick.
Even the approved stuff like Artefill

[These are the businesses most badly effected by the popularity of PMMA.] Are you saying because bad guys like Elist didn\'t like PMMA and campaign against it that it means PMMA is somehow good. A bad guy can correctly point out another product is no good.
If Dr K thought PMMA was good he would use it.

Again, you are projecting your opinion as being superior, without taking into account that everyone has different circumstances and objectives etc.

Anyone who takes the time to do their research will be aware of the risks with synthetic fillers and can make their decision accordingly.

Given how frequently Dr Kim has changed his opinion over the last 5 years or so, what he thinks is good doesn\'t really mean much does it? When I first contacted him he was advocating PLGA scaffolds. He then turned to Alloderm and even dabbled with doing FFT and Alloderm combinations. Then PMMA came grew in popularity and he had to find an injectable to started injecting PLGA. If you look at the bad complications from those types of procedures and compare them with the PMMA complication rate, what does that say about Dr Kims opinion? I\'m not saying Dr Kim isn\'t a good surgeon or he is dishonest or anything. I actually like his approach from what I\'ve read about him and hope more people investigate Megafill. But let\'s not make out as if his opinion had proved particularly valuable in the past.

You don\'t use generic medicine?

What might seem like common sense for someone in your position with your objectives, doesn\'t apply to everyone. Let\'s face it, Dr Kim himself now advocates a different type of filler, rather than HA, so his point of view is different from yours. Does he lack common sense now. Did he lack common sense when he was advocating Alloderm, PLGA and FFT etc?

BOBUSA wrote: @ hoddle.

I have knowledge dude. I have tons of common sense and experience.

From how i see you right now, this is BS... You seem so biased and as hoodle say, projecting your opinion as being superior, that i cant take anything you say serious..


to everyone else.. sorry about this little outburst..

[Again, you are projecting your opinion as being superior, without taking into account that everyone has different circumstances and objectives etc. ]

True - something worked well for me so I am a bit keen to just tell others to do the same.


[Anyone who takes the time to do their research will be aware of the risks with synthetic fillers and can make their decision accordingly. ]

I suppose so, but then they do that and get an Elist implant - I want to say WTF are you nuts and prevent what is to me obvious. I\'ll back off and let people make their own mistakes.


[Given how frequently Dr Kim has changed his opinion over the last 5 years or so, what he thinks is good doesn\'t really mean much does it? ]

I dunno, he always advocated HA - always. When someone changes their mind in the face of new information I think... respect to them - value truth , over the risk of reputation / being called indecisive. That\'s my view.


[When I first contacted him he was advocating PLGA scaffolds. He then turned to Alloderm and even dabbled with doing FFT and Alloderm combinations. Then PMMA came grew in popularity and he had to find an injectable to started injecting PLGA. If you look at the bad complications from those types of procedures and compare them with the PMMA complication rate, what does that say about Dr Kims opinion? I\'m not saying Dr Kim isn\'t a good surgeon or he is dishonest or anything. I actually like his approach from what I\'ve read about him and hope more people investigate Megafill. But let\'s not make out as if his opinion had proved particularly valuable in the past. ]

I get it, it can look bad when you change your mind. he always stuck by HA which is what I had.


[You don\'t use generic medicine? ]

Yea Modafinil from the moda cat website cant you tell.

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From how i see you right now, this is BS... You seem so biased and as hoodle say, projecting your opinion as being superior, that i cant take anything you say serious..
]

to everyone else.. sorry about this little outburst..


Yea I get what you say andydandy. Its not superior or arrogance. Just you know that moment when you know somethings the truth and want to share. Like some guy saying hes gona get 72 virgins if he does something for god, id want to say WTF.


Maybe I\'m not right about the PMMA being recycled motor oil, it\'s obviously not the case, but HA is fine for me. Ill give you all a break, no probs.

@hunkydory

True, no ones Dick\'s gona fall off, then can dig that shit out if they need to . I didn\'t realise so many guys here had the PMMA done, otherwise I wouldnt have put it like that - im gona go edit that shit out from old posts, sorry

I just have what my wife has injected in her cheeks, I was thinking about it back in 2010 when I kept paying for her fillers every year. So I research macrolane , juvaderm HA . Then I thought hey that stuff might help add volume to my Dick too , id had a previous surgery for length (which did not work and made me the angry man I am today). So I search dr K in Korea, read his reports, now I get the filler every couple years same as my wife, but shes every 12 mths and not to her Dick obviously, to her cheeks. The way I think is that women are definately gona complain about HA right, if it sucks. Every second woman I know gets it for past 10 years. So I kind of feel safe. But PMMA, I dont guy Why youd do it if you can do HA. Is it to save $ ?

@BOBUSA

A temporary filler that can feel soft when Flaccid and firm when Erect (like PMMA) is probably the best option out there, but comes at a cost (repeated fillings not only to achieve size, but to maintain size). PMMA has the advantage of permanency and is even offered by dermatologists in the US alongside temporary fillers. It\'s not motor oil and is regarded as a perfectly capable Dermal Filler. The appeal is permanency, but not all feel comfortable with that, and that makes sense.

I underwent procedures years ago and chose PMMA based on a few reasons: Most importantly, I wouldn\'t have to return for top-offs for the rest of my life -A.) just can\'t afford that the rest of my life and B.) I have no assurances that my current phsyician wont be retired years out from now, and have less assurances the next doctor to top me off is skilled enough to ensure a reasonable outcome. I also based my decision on the anecdotal evidence given here by pioneers before me describing how it mimics your actual penis (soft when Flaccid, hard when Erect), and for the most part, it\'s true. It also helped that the forum\'s much smaller community at the time did its very best to assimilate all the information and research we could to get a grasp on how safe/dangerous it was, and I felt comfortable with the risk I was taking (knowing full well I was a risk, especially unknown long term risks). Lastly, although cost should not be a factor in your reasoning, at the time I was broke and genuinely thin, and found the allure of instant Girth for what was at the time $1500 (it\'s gone up considerably since). I gained roughly an Inch going from 3.5\" MSEG to 4.5\" MSEG in one session. But I would not advocate this to just anyone...since as you can see, I started with an Erect Girth as big as many of your Flaccid girths.

@Skeptical One


I will probably never have to worry about paying $3-4,000 every couple of years to get the HA. My wife spends near that much herself. Im reading this site and I hope this PMMAs going to be good, it sounds alright from the users.

The HA took me from 4.5 around to nearly 6 around, when I notice less friction between car and garage in the love making I know its time for a top up. Otherwise I dont ever think about it. That is a massive gain, you must have felt like a porn star, as I did 1st time. Im gona email that Dr Korea and ask him if hes changed his views again on PMMA.

If Dr K goes out of business im going to either of the filler clinics in the UK or back in US. There are starting to be a few clinics I can choose from now, unlike in the past.

BOBUSA wrote: @Skeptical One


I will probably never have to worry about paying $3-4,000 every couple of years to get the HA. My wife spends near that much herself. Im reading this site and I hope this PMMAs going to be good, it sounds alright from the users.

The HA took me from 4.5 around to nearly 6 around, when I notice less friction between car and garage in the love making I know its time for a top up. Otherwise I dont ever think about it. That is a massive gain, you must have felt like a porn star, as I did 1st time. Im gona email that Dr Korea and ask him if hes changed his views again on PMMA.

If Dr K goes out of business im going to either of the filler clinics in the UK or back in US. There are starting to be a few clinics I can choose from now, unlike in the past.

I wasn\'t trying to sell you on the idea of PMMA, I only wanted to address your question as to why some people (like myself) have it done.

Temporary fillers on paper seem like a fantastic idea, but with all things Phalloplasty, only entertain future procedures with a sound state of mind. Good luck.

I will probably never have to worry about paying $3-4,000 every couple of years to get the HA.

The HA took me from 4.5 around to nearly 6 around

What HA did this? And how many CCs? $4000 would only buy you 10 cc of Restylane (at a discount) and it wouldn\'t increase your Girth nearly this much... so I\'m curious to know what you had done and who did it.

Even if you could get Radiesse at $4000 which is 20% CaHA, there\'s no way it will increase your size from 4.5 to 6 Girth unless your penis is only 1-2\" long.

The numbers are not adding up... but perhaps you can clarify this.

$4000 buys more than 10 cc at dr korea, its 5inch, want see ? Its that much more than once too


Penile Girth enhancement using HA Net Costs:10 ml US$1,50015 ml US$2,00020 ml US$2,500
I read your story Restoration, extreme. No one deserves that .

for sure, I dont think that 10ml is going to be exactly life changing but i haven\'t had HA injections (yet) so I cant say for sure. the before and after shots on the website of a UK clinic that do it look legit (tape measure in one of them) but i have stuck 20ml and 40ml of saline in my penis before and i can tell you, 10ml is not going to add an Inch of Girth unless there is some other process is at work (such as drawing in water and then expanding further, as those who inject dextrose experience)

macrolane is an inexpensive HA filler for volume, under half the price of the others by volume, but seems to have been dropped by most surgeons. mostly, from what I can gather by online research, because it doesnt last all that long and due to using larger volumes e.g. 50ml+++ results were a bit sketchy. Hoddle and some others posted about it because it did used to be offered here in the UK for PE but no-one does now, I am guessing because customers weren\'t happy with the results. but it is still around. made by the same people who make Restylane and emervel.

it was heavily marketed in the UK some years back as the \'lunchtime boobjob\' but then got withdrawn for that use. but its still used for other areas. anyway, you dont much hear of it nowadays.

although supposedly its what Kim Kardashian keeps having pumped into her butt.
lol.

How much did you gain from 20 ml of saline?

i would say it would be about 3/4 of an Inch Girth gain from 20ml saline. two weeks later i did 40ml and it was more like 1.5inch, bit less (although some squirted out cos I didnt seal the hole properly... duh). but it spreads out after injection quite well and smoothly and once it (and I) had settled down, felt and looked very natural. well, i say that as someone who also pumps a bit so you know, what i think feels natural someone else might consider a bizarre mini balloon full of water

that gain is somewhat less with an Erection but actually doesnt disappear - the volume is all still there just spread over a wider area (maths class...), i would say Erect gain was a bit more than half the Flaccid gain.

i didnt measure properly (before and after) as i was too dumbfounded by the effect. lol. it was quite fun and more than a little freaky. although i kept wondering if i had \'done it right\' and was trying not to glue my finger to my Cock - i sealed the tiny needle hole with a blob of superglue (no i am not insane, it\'s an accepted way of quickly and hygenically sealing small tissue injuries !) although I am not generally a fearful person i didnt want to have to sit in A&E for hours with my finger glued to my inflated Cock. i know A&E docs have seen many bizarre things but that might have been a first.

you have to let the saline spread out a bit after injecting and \'tie off\' with a rubber ring or whatever found the base of your penis, as it does reabsorb fairly quickly (having said that, you could certainly tell 24 hours or more later that it was still there so i think it takes about 48 hours to completely go). btw - i am NOT promoting or recommending saline injection or other \'home\' injections in your penis - you have to be very very careful about hygiene and sterility of all your kit unless you want to end up with some hideous infection plus its a bugger sourcing all the sterile disposables and stuff.

having said that, it was a good exercise for me personally as it gave me a clear idea of volume effects and also showed me how the skin on my penis stretches and separates from the \'meat\' if you get what i mean.

but thats how I am pretty sure that anything under 20ml of HA or other injectible wouldnt be worth the bother for me personally as 1/4 to 1/2 Inch, slowly reducing every month, is not going to meet my expectations.

Saline injections are fantastic - though deceptive and very short lived. I\'ve had a few small injections to try to dilute / break the nodules (didn\'t work) but they did make everything around the nodules SO even and soft. wow. Beautiful outcome from saline. I believe 48 hours is the max that will last unfortunately.

Bob - sorry I didn\'t realize you had this done in Korea. What was the korean name for the HA? Did they tell you?

I read your story Restoration, extreme. No one deserves that .

Thanks. Fortunately, it is mostly over unless I get a touch up (silicone or Radiesse at most). I may want to get a scar Revision at one point since I have a raised scar with train tracks on it from my Dermatologist right on the side... but every little surgery with a PMMA penis is risky... at least in my experience.