TOPIC: BBC IPLAYER: The penis extension clinic

Is it really Androfill doing all this shit, can this be true of someone like mischiefmkr? Is it possile for Androfill to be contacted and asked about all this directly through their website? Many tricks can be played on the internet by hoaxers and hackers. This is really disconcerting ...

jogift wrote: Is it really Androfill doing all this shit, can this be true of someone like mischiefmkr? Is it possile for Androfill to be contacted and asked about all this directly through their website? Many tricks can be played on the internet by hoaxers and hackers. This is really disconcerting ...

What incentive would a hacker have?

Wow this is crazy, shills are definitely getting smarter.

I am not much into technology but isn\'t it hackers that can misrepresent a device\'s geolocation? mischiefkr\'s change from Canary Islands to UK is suspect. Point is that it\'s difficult to believe that (the real) people could\'ve postd what they did in this thread ...

I think I might be able to clear up the needle vs. cannula issue...or at least give you my perspective from having done this with Radiesse.

Injecting with a cannula is 10x harder...particularly for Revision procedures.

The principle is that you \"make a hole\" with the needle, and then you insert the cannula and inject. However, in reality, it\'s hard for the hole to stay open, especially with fibrosis already in there. A needle can be very accurate and cut through the existing fibrosis or filler, but you just can\'t burrow through existing PMMA fibrosis with a cannula. It\'s very inaccurate as to where the PMMA goes unless you spend a lot of time with it. That\'s why my Radiesse injection that I did took 4 hours (to have such good results, I might add - thank you). But, it was the hardest thing to do because i must have stuck myself 20 times for 3-4 useful holes. It is much less precise to do corrective work with a flexible cannula. Even Dr. C used a needle on me in that one gap area that always comes back 2 days post procedure (somewhere in my progress reports I show it and he always fixed it). He was very clear about the embolization risk and said, if you feel a sharp pain, tell me immediately. He went very slow, and certainly injected it as he withdrew (never inject as you push in). He said, You\'ll feel some pain,but not sharp. He didn\'t even want to numb the area much. He put 2 cc of metacrill directly into the side of the shaft with a very thin needle and it was fine. So, yes, it can be done - and I think even he knows that for tiny area corrections where it is a complex area, a needle is more precise...unless he didn\'t feel like using the cannulas, but I doubt he\'d take a shortcut like that.

The video screen grab posted by hoodle that shows injection into the neurovascular bundle, and that is very concerning , and it seems odd that someone would do that who has medical training. Dr. C stays far away from there when injecting. My Urologist stayed far away from there when I got verapamil injections, even though my peyronie\'s plaque was right under there (he always entered through a side angle). You are not supposed to go near there with caverject either.Also, with regard to injections, numbing the area makes things even more complicated because the lidocaine adds volume. The other thing, if you use a needle or cannula, you should pull it back to make sure you are not in a blood vessel. If blood starts coming into the syringe, then you need to move elsewhere.

If you do inject into a blood vessel, you may still be ok with the use of nitro-bid paste and hydase (if it\'s HA). If Radiesse or PMMA get in the blood vessel, nitro-bid & warm compresses can help dilate the vessel so that the body can just absorb the particles (if you\'re lucky). But, we have seen photos from journals where urologists have caused total Necrosis of the penis on here - as well as major Necrosis of the face from injecting in a blood vessel. The risk should not be minimized! Even with my cannula injections, I still had nitro-bid on hand.

Cannulas from DermaScult are also flexible, which I personally found very annoying. The areas I needed to inject were always hard to get to, and they would just bend out of the way. Needles are never flexible & get to where you are going. I don\'t know where rigid cannulas are sold. Dr. C uses rigid cannulas, but he has a whole custom setup there.

Did that clear anything up?

I don\'t know what the hell is going on w/ the shills. mischiefmkr never seemed like a shill, but now he is? I think he said he had problems with the lumpiness of the HA at first and was pretty honest about all of it?

I wish that, despite our right to opinions, for the sake of research our posts would be mostly supportive of the safety aspect of Phalloplasty. It would be very painful if Androfill or any other, for that matter, should claim some other guys on the forum are in their payroll. It might not be true but they can still make the claim because they see some posts supporting their bullshit.

It\'ll really be good if Dr Oates may comment on this thread.

It would also be good if he uploaded a video of his much touted micro-cannula HA technique, which he describes as superior to others. If the aforementioned is accurate, he has the opportunity to improve the procedure.

Wow, OK so a lot has been going on in this thread that I had not seen.

I think it might take me a few posts to catch up on things. I wont go into schills but try and give facts as I know them.

The doctors from Androfil do surgical penoplasties which I have no experience off and have done 300 cases of HA injection phalloplasty which is a lot more than me.

I did feel it was a bit harsh to be called out to \"be honest\". Hoddle PMed me and suggested a video and offering discounts to Phalloboard members - which we are moving towards, more to post on this very soon. On our video, we have been holding off because once it is out there the technique can be grabbed by anyone (such as dentist and beauty therapists in the UK) but more of a concern are my competitors here in Australia. We wanted to be more established and seen as the definitive place to go before everyone starts undercutting us. I know that does not help members but I have been slowing working on this for a few years, it is out of my specialty area and gets me plenty of criticism. 1 bad result will not only finish the phalloplasty business but my primary cosmetic surgery business - and I need to keep that.

So we have just started a facebook page - www.facebook.com/CALIBRE.penile.enhancement
We are just starting on new website dedicated to the CALIBRE procedure (how do you like our name?) separating from the rest of the things we do which obviously is more skewed towards women.

Where we inject - yes between the superficial (Dartos) fascia and the deeper bucks fascia. From the Androfil video it looks to be exactly the same plane as that needle - we are not injecting deeper than that. The person posting from Androfil (a practice manager when I PMed) said it was rediculous to think that a 27G needle could cause a blockage to these vessels - sorry totally wrong. In fact most arterial blockage has been caused by 27G needles. As Androfil said - that is what comes in the box. Arterial blockage is caused by being in the wrong plane - which is one of the reasons the cheek filling video gave me the shivers. Plus injecting without gloves. And then posting the video.

The Angular Artery runs across the face at an angle from just out from the corner of the mouth to the corner of the nose and up to the corner of the eye. Is tends to have lots of bends in it so it can stretch out when you tun your face. It is one of the most commonly occluded arteries and leading cause of blindness. Most blindness comes from fat - presumably injected with cannula (this is not fully documented not the size if the cannula). The area of the face being injected needs to be done down at the bone - well below the artery and you know you are there because you can feel it. Or very superficial with a needle into the skin itself well above the artery. If you really want to inject at a more medium depth like they appear to be doing then you better be using a cannula, and actually keeping it moving is safer than keeping still( hopefully you come out of the vessel before injecting too much rather than nice and slowly injecting a big blob carefully into the artery) - but still no guarantee.

On Hyalase not being effective (ie Hunky) - surprising. Maybe what was left was either granulation or scar? My concern with a blockage in the dorsal artery was getting the hyalase down through the deep fascia. But it has been well shown that it penetrates well through a thick arterial wall. In the case of this happening they hyalase is injected with a needle. When people ask me how much - till the problem if totally fixed or you run out of Hyalase. Amazingly Hyalase is not an approved medicine in France and they have to purchase it elsewhere and \'smuggle\' it in.

On getting rid of injected blobs of fat. Lipodissolve often/usually causes lots of redness/swelling/pain and i dont think you would like it. I use injected steroid and usually find it gets rid of lumps and bumps in lips and around eyes - so that would be my first choice.

Stem cells. Quite possibly a big part of the future of medicine. I banked cord blood when my 2 kids were born to store the stem cells. But currently it is research and conjecture. Yes there are stem cells in fat and we have been injecting them with fat transfer for decades. Maybe it was always the stem cells that were responsible for a lot of the benefits we saw. But...I dont think any of the kits available now have been demonstrated to really get you that much more or that it then does that much more. Unfortunately we have just had a death of an elderly woman having it for dementia. Not directly related to the actual stem cells (I think) but the procedure and being on blood thinning medications and the doctor not knowing that.

I will try and post some histology pictures to show exactly where things are. First thing to notice is the dorsal artery does not necessarily run in the midline and can be/usually paired. The superficial facia and skin are intimately applied. It is also called the Dartos fascia - the dartos muscle is the muscle \'in\' the skin of the scrotum and why it can contract (the cremaster muscle is the one that actually retracts the ball). There there is a loose space between the superficial and deep fascia. You will all be aware of what this loose space does (think of a single man before he goes to sleep). The deep fascia and Tunia are quite thick. It could be punctured by a cannula. But less likely. And a lot less likely than a needle - especially one going in and out as rapidly as it the Androfil video.

I have had 4 PM\'s while writing this post - will check after inserting some pictures.

If these pictures dont make it clear I am sure you will let me know. The subcutaneous layer is the loose space - where the product goes with the cannula (and the needle). There should be a second image (pink) which is a microscopic close up - if it does not come up I will repost.

The other picture

Where is mischiefmkr? Though considered disparaging, it is quite disconcerting that Androfill claimed he was in their payroll. He still visits the forum, can\'t he say something for himself? Wow! Who are us people here ...

wow. now there\'s a whole host of reminders of why i stopped visiting this board !

i guess i logged in while i was on one of my regular winter holidays in the canary islands... how every unusual and suspicious.

lol, you guys are seriously nuts sometimes.

am not and never have been \'in the pay of Androfill\' or whatever insane scheme some of you seem to have cooked up in your fevered imaginations. OBVIOUSLY the member who posted that was either working for some other clinic or just a plain old TROLL. i would certainly believe it was some competing clinic or possibly even Hoddle, frankly, given the ravings he goes off on on this board sometimes and the unpleasant tone and accusations i have had levelled at me over the months by him. photo evidence notwithstanding, the nutters will find a way to disparage and support their own freakishly skewed and damaged world view.

although i perhaps naively imagined that the reason there were moderators on this board was to control that kind of thing, rather than spend their time working through their own issues and encouraging other fantasists.

well more power to you all and the bizarre machinations of your tiny minds. i now understand why the few \'success stories\' there are dont hang around long on here. the board seems to be a fantastic environment for the disturbed and damaged though and i hope you are all just having a furious wank about it.

frankly you can all go and inject petrol into your cocks for all i care, might give you pause for THOUGHT at least and that would make a refreshing change. i am still v happy with my increase and aesthetics and plan to go for a top up treatment next spring at some point, imagine that after a year it might be time it although so far no change. if i was in Oz i would go to that clinic, if i was in US i would check out Mirza or whoever is doing it there, as i am in london the only one i know of that does HA is Androfill so i imagine, if that is still the case next year, i will go there.

Is there any link to the photo evidence he refers to.
Thanks.

@ mischiefmkr.I now believe that Androfill\'s claim is true. Plus going after hoddle is fucking shit ...

Just saw this thread because someone recommend it to me. Androfill is dodgy and i will give my reasons. First of all the penis is covered in veins and different penis have the veins in different area ( not talking about the main ones) and anyone injecting with a needle is a pure novice and is asking for trouble, only a micro cannula should be used down there and if a doctor says its okay, he is beyond the word arrogant!

There are veins under the skin and vessels some we can see some we can\'t.

Second of all, I have had facial HA fills and one thing anyone know who had had facial HA fillers, is they last different times on different people. Most fillers DO NOT last for the times they say on the box, this is the manufacturers way of trying to get people to use them, when in actual fact they last 4 to 6 months less, than stated. And this is for the face...

The more an area has movement, the faster the HA filler dissolves and because you are always using your willy, pissing, wanking , lying on it e.t.c it won\'t last long. The less movement an area has, the longer it will last ( under the eyes) compared to a place like cheek or lips.

It you have a fast metabolisms, the filler will dissolve really fast. For example I have a friend who has facial fillers. A filler that normally last a normal person like 9 months, she has nothing left at 4 months. So if you are skinny and can\'t put on weight, the filler won\'t last long compared to a natural chubby person. And i don\'t know what metabolism has to do with it just is.

Saying a HA filler in the penis can last 2 years is complete bulls***t, trust me it would be gone in months! I have a friend who had macrolane in his willy, which is said to last 12-18 months ( which has proven to be bull by a lot of women and men) only lasted 5 months ( at 3 months he lost a lot of volume).


Another thing to add, HA under penile skin would shift within hours and bunch up, HA moves around. You would need not to touch, move, lie on your penis for afew days which would be impossible.

If HA lasted 2 years, many clinics would be doing HA fillers on the penis and the would be a lot of review on internet. Even I would opt for HA if it lasted two years cause it would be safer.

just watched the video, he seems to be approaching the procedure as you would filling hands, by using a tenting technique. i definitely would use a cannula