TOPIC: Let's clarify one thing about size...

Thank you for the kind words from everyone, it means a lot to me.
Your replies prove without a doubt in my mind that we have an amazing group of intelligent, rational, and reasonable men here that genuinely have their hearts in the right place.
The goal here was to provide a forum where men can share their experiences, discuss and share research on new and old procedures, and find transparency in an industry riddled with companies/forums/websites that distort information and sell out their brothers for money.
I want to say thank you to S.O. for his integrity as a leader and for the moderators and members that make this site the best resource in existence regarding elective PE. While is it true that some newbies may not do all the research necessary, it is clear by the first sticky thread in the General Phalloplasty Discussion section that the \" Infections, Complications, Risks of PMMA?\" and other procedures are out in the open. No one else is giving men the real facts, and we should all be proud for providing a safe haven from the likes of sites like MNS.
I feel like a bit of an asshole because in reality, if you put the research and thought into any procedure and decided to take the risk, then you deserve every \"high 5\" and congratulations in the world if everything went well. Messageman, you really showed your class today, as did Miracle. Hoddle, I have huge respect for your posts and I really enjoy reading Mustangs posts as well.
Nuff said in my opinion. Take care all.

New1inch wrote: I PE because I KNOW my Dick is small at 5x5 and no one can tell me different. \"I HAVE A CHILD\'S PENIS!!!!\"

I somehow missed this. You are well within the spectrum of average for both length and Girth. I disagree with your characterization of your size. You are about as average as average gets (according to what stats & surveys we have available to us), and I can understand why some of us would prefer to be above average. I\'m now hovering around your size and am delighted to feel normal. You don\'t know small until you had to deal with what I did pre-PMMA. Let\'s just not make the mistake to consider average penises small.
It\'s almost as if a penis is either big or small nowadays. Ironic, since the majority of men are neither.

Skeptical One wrote:

New1inch wrote: I PE because I KNOW my Dick is small at 5x5 and no one can tell me different. \"I HAVE A CHILD\'S PENIS!!!!\"

I somehow missed this. You are well within the spectrum of average for both length and Girth. I disagree with your characterization of your size. You are about as average as average gets (according to what stats & surveys we have available to us), and I can understand why some of us would prefer to be above average. I\'m now hovering around your size and am delighted to feel normal. You don\'t know small until you had to deal with what I did pre-PMMA. Let\'s just not make the mistake to consider average penises small.
It\'s almost as if a penis is either big or small nowadays. Ironic, since the majority of men are neither.

Thanks for the response sceptical one. Even though I want a huge dong I\'d be happy with just 6 Inch length and a little more Girth. I\'m coming more from a practical sex standpoint. I couldn\'t feel the walls when I had sex with my last GF and would go soft. She had no kids and only been with 1 guy. I\'m really scarred from that moment. I just don\'t want it to ever happen to me again.

@New1inch
I can totally relate...there are somethings we rather not have to think about when having sex, and if we can do something to get it out of our minds, it\'s sometimes worth pursuing.

gamecock wrote: My point is that, as other have stated, 5.5\" Girth is big for most girls and I think that some of our members and vets are, sorry to say, losing touch with this reality. I\'m not trying to point fingers but this isn\'t about building some type of big Dick club, even though it\'s starting to look that way. This is about researching the best option available and deciding if it\'s worth the risk to try to create a potentially happier sex life and more confidence for ourselves.

While I agree with the intent of your post I have to disagree with you calling out some of the members. There are members who post here who are trying to build the biggest unit they safely can with very little regard for a happier sex life. I don\'t think there is anything wrong with that at all. It is their right to do so and I think they should be supported just like any other member of this community. I think it is a mistake when anyone starts to think that their goal is more \"valid\" or \"right\" than the next member.

I think we also need to distinguish between support and encourage. I\'ll offer support in terms of giving the best advice and can to anyone. But I\'d never encourage anyone to get any of these procedures done and very often feel the best type of support is to do the opposite and encourage them not to.

Skeptical One wrote: @SizemicYou once had said that for single guys, anything above 6\" EG is massive (correct me if I\'m mistaken), do you still stand by this opinion? Just curious where you stand now since you are one of the bigger members on the board

Yes 100%. Ever since round 1 with a 5.4~\" mid-shaft Girth I have been getting comments about how \"big\" it is. A few girls claimed they couldn\'t take it for very long (ie, once they came they were done / sore and didn\'t want a super long session).

Now with my current Girth, pretty much every girl I have been with has claimed it to be a horse Dick, baby\'s leg, elephant Dick etc... So yes, 6\" Girth (or 6.25\" in my case) is massive in the single guys world of College / University aged women. And I have had these comments from a girl with a count over 100+ and another with a 25+. So they are experienced to say the least. I mean even the girl with the massive count said I had the thickest one she\'s seen.

Even at 5.4\" I was big enough to get those: \"Oh you are sooo big\" comments. So huge girths, multiple sessions... lots of money... Isn\'t all that necessary. And really a 5.5\" with amazing aesthetics will likely be better / hotter for the girl than a 6+\" that looks like it belongs to \"Sloth\" from the Goonies. Just saying...

At my current size I have not had many negative comments at all. 95% of the time its just a good old sexual experience for all. The other 5% have trouble initially, but quickly warm up to it and then its all good. Any bigger and I suspect that ratio will change... at least for a first time, one nighter encounter.

Even though I started with only 4.5\" Girth... from day 1 PE has been entirely for my own benifit. I wasn\'t self conscious of it, it didn\'t deter me from sexual encounters. I had great sex with it, had lots of great comments from it... made 2 people squirt with it. My old penis was perfectly fine for sex. And I think I used it well. There was nothing wrong with it. I can guarentee you that the girls I hooked up with went home and told their girlfriends that I was great in bed etc.

PE for me has just been for me. Because I wanted it. I am sorry if I am one of the bigger contributors for the \"go huge club.\" Or if my stories of my single adventures (or misadventures) add to the whole get huge hype.

Personally, I am good where I am at right now. Like I said before, any more size and I would be worried it could cause issues with my one nighters (repeat offenders tend to get used to it). I am moving to a bigger city soon, that should help me sample the population more I shall report my findings in my study in the Love, Lust and Vanity section and try to keep it out of the progress reports and general info section of the forum.

hoddle10 wrote: I think we also need to distinguish between support and encourage. I\'ll offer support in terms of giving the best advice and can to anyone. But I\'d never encourage anyone to get any of these procedures done and very often feel the best type of support is to do the opposite and encourage them not to.

I think this is necessary in a forum like this. There will always be guys who want the biggest they can get to... and if those are the only ones who are vocal the forum wouldn\'t be much help to people. All sides need to be seen... all possible outcomes should be clearly visible to anyone who want\'s or thinks they want something like this done.

hoddle10 wrote: I think we also need to distinguish between support and encourage. I\'ll offer support in terms of giving the best advice and can to anyone. But I\'d never encourage anyone to get any of these procedures done and very often feel the best type of support is to do the opposite and encourage them not to.

I agree 100%

@SO I think for the most part we are saying the same thing. 1) Only do PE of any kind if medically necessary. 2) If you decide to ignore the first rule, don\'t call out members who want to go bigger than you. It is hypocritical to think that your choice to have a risky elective procedure is somehow more valid or qualified than the other person.

eqstudent wrote: @SO I think for the most part we are saying the same thing. 1) Only do PE of any kind if medically necessary. 2) If you decide to ignore the first rule, don\'t call out members who want to go bigger than you. It is hypocritical to think that your choice to have a risky elective procedure is somehow more valid or qualified than the other person.

I don\'t think it\'s as simple as that and to be honest I think there are reasons that are more valid or qualified than others. But I suppose much depends on what you call a medically necessary reason. Is it just having physical dimensions that don\'t allow penetrative success or would mental trauma, to the point it\'s seriously having a negative effect on a guys life, count? Because I think there are a lot of guys who are really suffering due to penis size insecurities and I see their reasons for considering PE procedures as more valid than a lot of the more conventional vanity based reasons.

hoddle10 wrote: I don\'t think it\'s as simple as that and to be honest I think there are reasons that are more valid or qualified than others. But I suppose much depends on what you call a medically necessary reason. Is it just having physical dimensions that don\'t allow penetrative success or would mental trauma, to the point it\'s seriously having a negative effect on a guys life, count? Because I think there are a lot of guys who are really suffering due to penis size insecurities and I see their reasons for considering PE procedures as more valid than a lot of the more conventional vanity based reasons.

I don't want to take this too far from my original point tothe OP which is don't call other members out just because their size goals/reasons are different from your goals/reasons.As far as suggesting mental trauma or suffering due to size insecurities as more 'valid' or 'qualified' reasons than say wanting to have the biggest unit on the block. I disagree; they are all based on similar dysfunctional psychology in the body dysmorphia family.If a 27 year old 5'7' 115 lbs woman came to you and said she wants a procedure to make her skinnier because she is mentally suffering due to size insecurities because as a teenager she was told she was fat and now has mental trauma. Would you say she is more valid or qualified than others?Similarly, if a 27 year old member who has a 6 x 4.75 comes and says he needs a procedure becausehe is mentally suffering due to size insecurities because as a teenager he had sex and did not get the right \"response\" and has now has mental trauma. Would you say he is more valid or qualified than others?

WOW Eq. good point. Never saw it from that perspective. I have had Body dysmporphia since I was young. SO i totally understand. When I was younger I was always a shy kid. Never confident. At 17, I was asked to model by a female photograher. Thats the first time in my life, I was complimented on my physical appearance. I was so hooked to the attention that I wanted to KEEP my look exactly. I started watching what i eat and micromanaging and working out like a Fiend. I developed anorexia over the year and at my lowest point I reached a whopping 105 lbs at 5\'8 inches. SIck i know. looked like a cancer patient walking aronud. Some days i would eat 400 calories a day. I didnt even look good anymore and no more modelling offers. lol Than one day something in my head just clicked and I slowly got over anorexia. However now the problem swung in the opposite direction. I wanted to be HUMUNGOUS. I started gaining muscle and got a lot of compliment from others. It got me hooked again to the point I strated doing Anabolic steroids (extremely irresponsible) and at my heaviest I was at 202 lbs with single digit body fat. My problem is I have a very low self worth. If I can be honest with myself. On the outside I might look normal to most people but on the inside everyday is battle of ups and downs. I have accomplished a decent amount but I Never feel worthy or look at myself and can say wow good job buddy. I tie my self worth in what people think of me or say about me and as much as I know that is recipe for disaster I cant help it. The only good thing is I hope I can learn to control my insanity in a positive way to achieve something good. As long as I dont let it get out of control like i did it in the past, I think one needs to have slight sense of insecurity and slight amount of eustress to better himself. So I agree you have to respect the balance.

eqstudent wrote:

hoddle10 wrote: I don\'t think it\'s as simple as that and to be honest I think there are reasons that are more valid or qualified than others. But I suppose much depends on what you call a medically necessary reason. Is it just having physical dimensions that don\'t allow penetrative success or would mental trauma, to the point it\'s seriously having a negative effect on a guys life, count? Because I think there are a lot of guys who are really suffering due to penis size insecurities and I see their reasons for considering PE procedures as more valid than a lot of the more conventional vanity based reasons.

I don't want to take this too far from my original point tothe OP which is don't call other members out just because their size goals/reasons are different from your goals/reasons.As far as suggesting mental trauma or suffering due to size insecurities as more 'valid' or 'qualified' reasons than say wanting to have the biggest unit on the block. I disagree; they are all based on similar dysfunctional psychology in the body dysmorphia family.If a 27 year old 5'7' 115 lbs woman came to you and said she wants a procedure to make her skinnier because she is mentally suffering due to size insecurities because as a teenager she was told she was fat and now has mental trauma. Would you say she is more valid or qualified than others?Similarly, if a 27 year old member who has a 6 x 4.75 comes and says he needs a procedure becausehe is mentally suffering due to size insecurities because as a teenager he had sex and did not get the right \"response\" and has now has mental trauma. Would you say he is more valid or qualified than others?

There are different degrees of dysmporphia though, which is why I used the term \"conventional vanity.\" A guy who has a desire to make his big penis even bigger, as he likes the idea of women in pain, but already is happy in life and has always had a good sex life, is not the same as a guy who is so traumatized he can\'t use public restrooms, have sexual relationships and go the gym or swimming pool etc. As I\'ve said in previous posts, it\'s about risk and reward. The risks are similar for everyone, but the rewards, in terms of impact it can have on your life aren\'t the same. There is no set formula or criteria when offering advice and every case should be treated differently. So 2 people suffering from equal levels of trauma can be given very different advice, as they may be better suited to different types of treatment. One could say validity could be judged of the rational of trauma.

bananas wrote: WOW Eq. good point. Never saw it from that perspective. I have had Body dysmporphia since I was young. SO i totally understand. When I was younger I was always a shy kid. Never confident. At 17, I was asked to model by a female photograher. Thats the first time in my life, I was complimented on my physical appearance. I was so hooked to the attention that I wanted to KEEP my look exactly. I started watching what i eat and micromanaging and working out like a Fiend. I developed anorexia over the year and at my lowest point I reached a whopping 105 lbs at 5\'8 inches. SIck i know. looked like a cancer patient walking aronud. Some days i would eat 400 calories a day. I didnt even look good anymore and no more modelling offers. lol Than one day something in my head just clicked and I slowly got over anorexia. However now the problem swung in the opposite direction. I wanted to be HUMUNGOUS. I started gaining muscle and got a lot of compliment from others. It got me hooked again to the point I strated doing Anabolic steroids (extremely irresponsible) and at my heaviest I was at 202 lbs with single digit body fat. My problem is I have a very low self worth. If I can be honest with myself. On the outside I might look normal to most people but on the inside everyday is battle of ups and downs. I have accomplished a decent amount but I Never feel worthy or look at myself and can say wow good job buddy. I tie my self worth in what people think of me or say about me and as much as I know that is recipe for disaster I cant help it. The only good thing is I hope I can learn to control my insanity in a positive way to achieve something good. As long as I dont let it get out of control like i did it in the past, I think one needs to have slight sense of insecurity and slight amount of eustress to better himself. So I agree you have to respect the balance.

Wow. I\'m surprised you able to even model at only 5\"8. That was a lucky break.