TOPIC: 125um microspheres and collogen

Hi 4johnybravo,

Yes you can use the Tween 80 ( which acts as an emulsifier, which reduce the binding strength, prevent or at least reduce precipitation and increased the viscosity of the carrier ) instead of EDTA with the CMC.

E.g. drug \"Lupron\" by injection.

Check this esp. in the bottom of this site :-

www.rxmed.com/b.main/b2.pharmaceutical/b.../LUPRON%20DEPOT.html


Another example in \"Advil\" (as suspension for children) :-

Check also the bottom of this site :-

chealth.canoe.ca/drug_info_details.asp?brand_name_id=1627&rot=4

The last example is used in an eye drop :-

dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?id=75589

my only one last query, 10 grams of 36-45um beads cost 127$ and is 90% free of beads smaller than 30um, so you see that thier is about 1 gram in the ten thats smaller than 30um. not good.

FOR 180$, i can get 10 grams of 36-45 extra filtered thru a 400 screen mesh and will be 97%+ free of anything smaller that 30um. which is acceptable for injecting for my quads calves and so on, but price is the killer here, see the only way to lower the price of the extra filtered beads is to buy in bulk to get a discount from the guy im dealing with, so if i bought 500-1000grams it would lower the price back down to 127$ shipped which sux, seing as the price i was needing to make this whole thing work was buying the beads i thought i needed at 127$ then adding the bulk discount it took of 40$/ each ten grams. but having to buy the extra filtered beads at 180$ put me so close to the point that i might as well buy from sammy passy.

I must keep at this, i have a good formulation, ive already injected the beads with no problem, and all i need smartman is a way to buy my beads cheaper and filtered to within 97%+ of 36-45um and i will have accually found a way to obtain enouph beads to make enouph homemade 30% PMMA to achive my body building goal. some people just dont understand. your only as big as as much food and testosterone you on each day and each week. this PMMA will change my competitive bodybuilding in a way i never knew. im so dam close... i thought about buying a 400 mesh screen and trying to filter the NON filtered PMMA powder myslef, but i know that the guy at cospheric.com is a proffesional who has a proprietary method that is very good as filtering very clean beads and i have little faith i would be able to do a better job than he would.

buy from sammy passy in LARGE quantity not an option btw... just to say a second time. i need alllot of powder.... 1lb = 453grams,5lbs=2267,10lbs=4535 grams im not saying i need that much right away but i know in life i would never never need more than 10lbs,. maybe i need to ask how much 10lbs would cost... but right now i just wanna buy 50 grams at a really low price around 250-300$

smartman, what percentage of tween80 should i use per cc? in one cc, 30 units will be PMMA,

Hi 4johnybravo,

Sorry for the delay, as far as I remember in regard of the conc. of Tween 80; it should be very low not more than e.g. 0.5% (and as far I remember in some other sites I read it was mentioned 0.1 mg). Be careful don\'t use a higher conc. if you are going to use it and Tween 80 if it is going to be used it has to be used with a precise concentration otherwise its side effects :-

Heart problems, tumor growth, headache + dizziness, infection, GIT problems, and even the possibility of infertility in female :-

www.livestrong.com/article/262369-polysorbate-80-side-effects/

suite101.com/article/polysorbate-80-causes-infertility-a60320

I will try to get you the exact concentration of Tween 80 if you want, but my advice to you is don\'t use it, because it could be very difficult to get the exact conc. at home.

IMO the most important is to get the 100% pure pmma beads more than the important of using the tween 80 and that was also the opinion of Lemperle too, I had exchanged few e-mails with Lemperle and he mentioned to me there will be in the near future the 4th generation of pmma from Germany and it wil be the purest pmma ever made (better than Artefill) \" 1 gram= around 6-12 $ \" , and this is a copy+paste of his e-mail to me:-

\" By the way, if someone wants to inject PMMA microspheres into humans, he really should use the best and cleanest possible ones - better than in ArteFill : I developed these with a German company over the last year for Brazil - and am just waiting for the test results from Berlin. The kg will cost around $ 6000 , e.g. $ 12 per syringe...\"

smartman, you realize, from now till lamperele answers you back, years will prolly pass. are you or have you accually e-mail him for the source of the beads? i pay 10$ for one cc of metacrill 30% metacrill right now. if i could accually buy one grams on PMMA powder for 6$ i would, since i can pay 6$ for one gram of 97%+ right now and prolly am going to. i guess what it comes down to is the realness of the possibility inwhich your copy/pasted email tries to invoke upon me. i belive it real, but for lamperle to tell you were you can buy one kilo of PMMA 99% i belive will be a strecht. and if he does tell you, it will be far in the future. if you havnt asked him or dont want to ask him\'
please reply with his e-mail, and i will ask him in a settle way were i can buy one kilo of 99%+ PMMA for 6000$. see i say this becuase i have 9000$ at the moment in my bank account and would easily drop it on on one kilo of PMMA if i knew the source was legit and lamperele gives it the go ahead. of course just to be on the safe side i would order 100 grams first, just to see how the tranaction goes and if it went well i would order a kilo.

As for the tween i never really wanted to deviate from what metacrill uses, edta is very safe to use even in larger amount and can even be healthy in some cases so ill stay away from tween...

4johnybravo, I am interested too to know more about this 4th generation of PMMA beads from Germany , he told me before, that he will make the best and the purest PMMA beads ever made (better than Artefill) and I am sure he will succeed.

I have asked him to send me an e-mail, when he gets the test results from Berlin, and I will inform you then.

I am sure with this future 4th generation purest PMMA beads (for Brazil), he will earn a lot of money.

well smartman, i dont know what to say.. i have talked to stefan lamperle,which works with gotfried, he lead on about some type of purification process thier working on but wouldn tell me more about it. I personaly sit her wishing you would open up a conversation with lamperle about the 4th gen beads to pry a little more and see what the timeframe would be to be able to purchase. really all this would do for me is buy pmma beads that is 2% more pure than what i can already get. and remember the 3% that is under 30um is still safe down to 20um, so about 1% is below 20um, from the slides ive seen of metacrill, i think metacrill is still just as \"dirty\" as the beads i can already buy from cosferic.com. but the one thing that interests me is you say that in buying in bulk i may be able to get a large discount from gotfried, so if i can buy a kilo for 6000$usd maybe i can buy two kilos for 9,500USD, who knows, 4.4lbs of pmma would be amazing.

this is the lab i use it costs 40$/hr for them to take some pics of PMMA bead samples and email them back to you..so youll mail then a 1/4 of a gram in an envelope and theyll email you the high rezolution SEM photographs of the beads.
IMAGE(Integrated Microscopy and Graphics
Expertise) Southern Illinois University
750 Communications Drive
Carbondale, Il 62901
phone 618-453-3730
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i currently have 10 bottles of metacrill i bought from sammy passy. 100cc\'s im waiting to find the right needle to inject it with, im going with a sprotte 20g 8inch needle for the bicepts and tricepts. i will be using an 18g x11inch blunt tiped cannula injector from tulipmedical.com for the legs/quads/thies,ass. metacrill is a pain in the ASS to extract from the 10ml bottle let me tell you, a 14guage needle is needed to extract it in a moderate amount of time, then you must sit the bottle down for 8hrs so the rest of the metacrill can sink down to the bottom again so you can suck out the rest. even at your best effort on each 10ml bottle youll loose 3/4 of a cc to one full cc almost becuase its so thick and sticks inside the rubber stoppers and around the glass.

its been over a month smartman.can you atleast reasure me youll inform me when lamperele is offering the PMMA powder?

4johnybravo wrote: its been over a month smartman.can you atleast reasure me youll inform me when lamperele is offering the PMMA powder?

Why don\'t you get in touch with the Professor himself?

Hi 4johnybravo,

Sorry for the delay, today I have sent an e-mail to Prof. Lemperle and this is his reply :-


There are new PMMA - 40 micron beads produced in Germany but they will not be available on the market - except through my connections. I imagine the smallest quantity will be 1 kg clean PMMA for about $ 7500 ( = for 5000 x 1 ml syringes Artecoll, suspended in carboxymethyl-cellulose = $ 1.50 for 20 % PMMA per syringe !). The mixing is easy but must be under sterile conditions, of course - and it is advisable to add 0.3 % lidocaine to the cellulose. Best wishes,Gottfried - from Frankfurt (Symposium on \"50 Years Plastic Surgery in Frankfurt\") On Sunday, I fly from here to China.

Is there any reason Dr C cant buy this? That way he wouldn\'t need to mix 10% with 30% and we\'d get the newer beads.

@ hoddle, I totally agree with you, it will be great if Dr.C.\'s clinic use this new PMMA beads in the future ---> the chance of getting FBG\'s will be very low.

@ 4johnybravo, As you know the technique and the experience of the person who is going to do the injection and also the mixing should be under sterile conditions are very important to avoid any early or late complications post-PMMA (even if you use the purest PMMA beads), I will try to help you as much as I can but still I advise you to get the injections by a highly qualified experienced person, so please be careful.

@ smartman, i thank you for the email you sent him, im somewhat confused. so your saying one kilo of PMMA powder is 7500$, but what is the rest your talking about?
\" ( = for 5000 x 1 ml syringes Artecoll, suspended in carboxymethyl-cellulose = $ 1.50 for 20 % PMMA per syringe !)\"
are you saying that the 1 kilo/7500$ comes in the form of 5000 prefilled 1 ml syringes?

Smartman i do agree a proffesional injector would be prefered, but i am and have already been slowly injecting PMMA into my lower triceps and it looks really good.

I guess what i am needing at the moment smartman is to know if thiers room for negotiation on the 75004, and if thiers a better price on buy 2 kilos and so on.

@skeptical one yes your right i would LOVE to just have gotten ahold of him this whole time!! smartman, may i have lamperlse email sent to me privatly please? secondly i and going to be putting the whole PMMA purchase on hold for several months, i just wish to negotiate to bottom dollar, and see what 2 kilos would cost. like i said smartman i am wanting to get it to the point i can just buy the powder at a moments notice from him. when it comes to negotiating price i am THE MAN for the job...

smartman they are taking down the thread so i ask you private message me with an email i can email you thru thank you.