TOPIC: Dr. C

SpankAss wrote:

Restoration wrote: That was my initial approach, SpankAss - but so many reports of limited growth in R2 made me request 30% in R2 (10% in R1). I barely even got growth from R2. I don\'t even think there are many reports of people getting 10% in R2 and having noticeable growth.

Ya well after reading all the reports and especially yours it made me take a step back as to being pushy to what I wanted mentally rather than what my body might need. Hats off you to you sir for sharing your journey and making me see the light at least.

I have decided I dont care if it takes 5 years ... the slow way is the better way from all the reports I read and the Dr knows better than me.

This is a good strategy. I can tell you that I had my most dramatic changes after 3 months, and didn\'t really stabilize until around 6 months. Even Wade said he doesn\'t like to see guys rush back in for round 2 because as someone said on here it\'s like putting a 2nd coat on still wet paint. I think 20cc\'s of 10% every 6 months would be ideal.

@restoration your limited growth in round 2 might have had something to do with the fact you had Peyronie\'s disease tho

Miracle 8 x 7 had peyronie\'s and had a lot of growth. Also, elist patients with all kinds of scar tissue in there saw dr. c and had growth. I don\'t really know what the issue was.

Damn if enlist patients can grow after those massacres then I guess anything is possible but Overall how much did you gain Girth wise after all your rounds and after all the swelling subsided ?

Around 0.5 - maybe 0.75 because some of the nodules add Girth. I haven\'t been able to have a 100% Erection in the last few months due to all the stitches and procedures. So, I don\'t really know for sure. Maybe I\'ll be able to measure by the fall with total certainty. Some areas grew more than others. It appears I got lucky in one aspect...where the thinnest areas grew a bit more than the thicker areas...so now it\'s even...rather than having the thin areas become exaggerated which I thought might happen.

The thinnest areas were the areas most affected by Peyronies (the internal tunica scarring narrowed the penis) so I figured it was not going to be amenable to PMMA, but it turned out to be good in those places, actually. The tunica is pretty far from where the PMMA is.

How much can you gain? Well, that is dependent on how many rounds you have, how much total product you get, how your body reacts to it, your anatomy... too many factors to be able to say what is possible for a specific individual. But given time and dedication to the process, you could potentially ultimately gain anywhere from .25\" to over 2\". However, I would highly dissuade anyone from getting extremely high quantities of PMMA injected.

High quantities or high concentrations , I was thinking of getting 30% at first until I read 10% is the only \"safe\" option and it even feels less fake I mean I wouldn\'t want a girl grabbing my Dick and asking why it feels how it feels or looks how it looks .how the hell am I gonna explain that to her ? oh I went to Tijuana and got surgery on my Dick Because I felt it was too small.. But idk I\'m still torn on what I\'ll choose to have done when the time comes. If they make 20% still I\'ll probably go for that seeing I read big johns thread and that\'s what he got and it looked to work out fine before he got 30% injected which is when he started seeing nodules form. But still pishing towards mostly 10% if not all because I read a doctors statement saying anything over 10% concentration of PMMA in the body will begin to deteriorate after about 5 years so I\'m like in between a rock and a hard place at this moment

Where did you see the doctors statement?

Why would it deteriorate? We have some posters from ~5 years and I don\'t think they\'ve seen size loss.

Scar tissue does thin out over time... for example, if you got a splinter and your body walled it off because you failed to remove it (which is what PMMA is doing) - you\'d see a reduction in the collagen walling off the splinter over time, but with PMMA you have millions of little splinters... I am not sure how it could dissipate to a noticeable level. Maybe at 5 years, in theory, you\'d lose 10-20% or so...there\'s not really enough long term people.

If I lose all the gains I got - with all this mess that went on - me.

I believe he is referring to the beads themselves actually breaking down. Plastic is not completely inert like glass. Eventually it decomposes, but slowly. Is the doctors statement online ? This would be very helpful to the forum. There are very few if any members that have had 30% for 5 yrs.

Maybe I used the wrong word with deteriorate but he said anything over 10% something would go wrong especially in a mans genitals

I saw it a while back when I first started researching PMMA , I know it was on a thread but don\'t know if it was this one or thunder someone had pasted it tho on their comment with a link . But idk maybe the guy just did t wanna perform the surgery or didn\'t know how , he also said the doctor still did fat transfer and alloderm so he wasn\'t exactly the most up to date doctor either . But he couldn\'t have been far off I mean what other side effect could PMMA have ? Except down the road this shit turns on us and makes us wish we never got it for example God forbid it makes our dicks not be able to get up which is what I assumed he meant when he said something could go wrong

Plastics are notorious for raising female hormones like estrogen. So one concern would be guys getting ED and other hormone related issues as the beads age and leach into the tissue and effect the endocrine system. It is unlikely it would have the same detrimental impact on women. This might take decades, but still it is worrisome.

But that\'s exactly what I\'m saying , case and point if my Dick can\'t get hard it\'s a wrap . Wtf is the point of a fat Dick if I can\'t get it up to fuck anything

Bigben wrote: Plastics are notorious for raising female hormones like estrogen. So one concern would be guys getting ED and other hormone related issues as the beads age and leach into the tissue and effect the endocrine system. It is unlikely it would have the same detrimental impact on women. This might take decades, but still it is worrisome.

If you had 3 sessions of 20 cc of 30%, that\'s 60 ccs of material, 20 ccs of which is PMMA. That\'s 4 teaspoons of PMMA...most of which won\'t degrade. I doubt it can cause endocrine issues. Anyway, most people haven\'t had this much. I think I had 12 total CCs of PMMA...though I have to check. So, 2.5 teaspoons... most of which isn\'t going anywhere.

Also, with regard to breaking down - nothing I\'ve read about PMMA / plexiglass (including the fact it\'s used in construction - like the roof of athletic stadiums) suggests it will degrade in our lifetimes. It\'s used as bone cement and in orthopedic surgery regularly, along with other plastics like polyethylene (that doesn\'t degrade or leech).

If you can find an academic article, please post it as I am sure many people would be interested to see it. PMMA has been around since the 40s, so you should be able to find something relating to its use as bone cement, it\'s permanent. This formulation is new, of course... but why would this degrade any more than bone cement? Human WBCs cannot eat particles this large.



I just found that some microorganisms may be capable of degrading PMMA and other plastics...used in construction.