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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278187909

Obsessed wrote: I have done a complete research about Dr Loria, as I was interested in this. I contacted his school of medicine, reviewed dozens of informations about him. The results are not good. Only a fool would trust this guy. If anyone is interested I can post my findings.


Yes ofcourse. Please do.

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278188012

@Cya@8

Yes, Dr. Casavantes has medical insurance. It is required by Mexico law. He uses only medical OEM PMMA (Metacril/Linnea Safe/Artefill). He is also one of the few physicians licensed and trained to use PMMA (including its use in the penis).

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278188031

Cya@8 wrote: Here is my issue with out-of-country doctors and why I am so interested in Dr. Loria.

Is Dr. C even made to carry insurance? What if there were complications and I needed to sue? What are the laws governing multinational lawsuits? I\'m almost certain there would be no recourse for me if something were to go wrong or a Dr. using less the medical grade PMMA ?

Greed will keep them in check but what happens if greed makes them want to cut corners? Here, at least Dr. Loia MUST carry insurance and is subject to the laws of this land.

I would trust him more than Dr. C just for the facts stated above. There are repercussions for Dr. L that go beyond money.


WOW...IF you have read about loria here and you read about Dr C here yet you still would trust loria purely because he is in the US even though loria has lied to us all and Dr C has shown dignity AND superb results with some very minor complication rates...so far at least!

Also, if you have read about elist, who works his magic in ruining people\'s lives in Beverly hills no less, you will find that he is protected by the many disclaimers that one has to sign BEFORE he inserts a failed silicone implant in your penis only to remove it later with disastrous results....

This is already going where I thought it was going...

Anyway, good luck with your decision.

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278188066

I will also remind everyone that while you are entitled to your opinion, degradation of character and/or slander will not be tolerated. A simple, \"yes I recommend\" or a \"no I don\'t endorse\" is sufficient. Thanks fellas.

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278188091

Cya@8 wrote: Here is my issue with out-of-country doctors and why I am so interested in Dr. Loria.

Is Dr. C even made to carry insurance? What if there were complications and I needed to sue? What are the laws governing multinational lawsuits? I\'m almost certain there would be no recourse for me if something were to go wrong or a Dr. using less the medical grade PMMA ?

Greed will keep them in check but what happens if greed makes them want to cut corners? Here, at least Dr. Loia MUST carry insurance and is subject to the laws of this land.

I would trust him more than Dr. C just for the facts stated above. There are repercussions for Dr. L that go beyond money.


The home of life destroying penis enlargement procedures.

You should be looking for the best procedure for your penis, not the option that gives you the best chance of compensation.

Using your logic Dr Elist is more trustworthy that Dr C. Yet how many of our members have had their penis\'s screwed up by Dr Elist? How many of those have managed to sue?

If these Dr\'s didn\'t feel as if the legal documents you sign sufficiently protect them, they wouldn\'t be in business. The fact Elist still operates today and is able to be insured tells you all you need to know.

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278188673

Mustang2020 wrote:

Cya@8 wrote: Here is my issue with out-of-country doctors and why I am so interested in Dr. Loria.

Is Dr. C even made to carry insurance? What if there were complications and I needed to sue? What are the laws governing multinational lawsuits? I\'m almost certain there would be no recourse for me if something were to go wrong or a Dr. using less the medical grade PMMA ?

Greed will keep them in check but what happens if greed makes them want to cut corners? Here, at least Dr. Loia MUST carry insurance and is subject to the laws of this land.

I would trust him more than Dr. C just for the facts stated above. There are repercussions for Dr. L that go beyond money.


WOW...IF you have read about loria here and you read about Dr C here yet you still would trust loria purely because he is in the US even though loria has lied to us all and Dr C has shown dignity AND superb results with some very minor complication rates...so far at least!

Also, if you have read about elist, who works his magic in ruining people\'s lives in Beverly hills no less, you will find that he is protected by the many disclaimers that one has to sign BEFORE he inserts a failed silicone implant in your penis only to remove it later with disastrous results....

This is already going where I thought it was going...

Anyway, good luck with your decision.


I\'ve been reading. yes. i don\'t have a bad opinion about Dr. C. I just live miles from Dr. L and have not studied the laws of Mexico. Mexico seems like the wild west to me compared to the US governmental oversight you get here.

I\'m months away from committing to anything so I have time to change my mind. This is nothing more than preliminary thoughts about where I might feel the most comfortable. I\'m in no rush.. I\'m fine @ 8 BPEL x 5.25MSG.

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278188826

Cya@8 wrote:
I\'ve been reading. yes. i don\'t have a bad opinion about Dr. C. I just live miles from Dr. L and have not studied the laws of Mexico. Mexico seems like the wild west to me compared to the US governmental oversight you get here.

I\'m months away from committing to anything so I have time to change my mind. This is nothing more than preliminary thoughts about where I might feel the most comfortable. I\'m in no rush.. I\'m fine @ 8 BPEL x 5.25MSG.


Good.

May I suggest you pay loria a visit since you are so close to him. Talk to him and ask him to show you before and after REAL pix of his many patients, what magical mix he is using and what are pros and cons of his procedure. Also, ask him if he is a \"qualified surgeon\" to remove what he injects in you if things go wrong. I asked him and I got my answers. Let us see if he will give you the same answer. Of course I will share with you after, if you so wish, get an answer from him...

Also, if you feel OK, would you mind post pictures of your equipment so the smarter members on this board can give you better advice?

PEACE!

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278189588

Ok guys so here it is. I did not intend to write all this so pardon the typos etc, I have to leave

1- The certification problemFirst, I googled ' how to choose a cosmetic surgeon '. I checked the answer on 10 different sites, they all say the same. The #1 point is ' you want a doctor who\'s certified by the American Board of Plastic Surgery '. CNN explains why ' legally any doctor is permitted to do any procedure -- a psychiatrist could do a breast augmentation. If you use a board-certified plastic surgeon, you know he or she has completed three to five years of training in general surgery and a minimum of two to three years of training in plastic surgery '.Makes sense. However, perhaps Ostheopathic Medicine is the royal road to Cosmetic Surgery.So I contacted the Kirskville College of Ostheopathic Medicine where Dr Loria received his education, asking if they think Dr Loria's credentials make him a good cosmetic surgeon. They replied ' U.S. trained DOs receive complete training and are licensed in medical and surgical treatment. It would really depend on Dr. Loria\'s postgraduate training (residency). We suggest you contact the national practioner databank, the Florida board of healing arts, or his office to inquire regarding Dr. Loria\'s credentials and training since his graduation. 'The American Board of Cosmetic Surgery (ABCS) states that to be certified a surgeon must ' Satisfactorily complete specialty residency training and be board certified in one of the following surgical specialties: Dermatology; General Surgery; Obstetrics and Gynecology; Opthamology/Oculoplastic Surgery; Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery (with MD degree); Otolaryngology; or Plastic Surgery '.

Come on guys, no Ostheopathy ?Anyway. Let's do this. A search at the Florida Board of Medicine shows that Dr Loria did his internship at the Kennedy Memorial Hospital, in family practice. I repeat, Family practice. Basically, colds and sore throats.By comparison, there are 20 cosmetic surgeons in Florida accredited by the American Board of Cosmetic Surgery. All of them ' each and every one- went through internship or postgraduate eduction is surgery, some in Cosmetic Surgery ; some in Artery Surgery, but always surgery. Some of them have outstanding records in Cosmetic or Plastic Surgery. Not Dr. Loria.

As a comparison, the NYEE Department of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery offers a Post Graduate Fellowship Program in Cosmetic Plastic Surgery which includes \"performing 100-130 major cosmetic operations under the direct in OR tutelage of one of the staff of 45 Board Certified Plastic Surgeons.\" over 12 months.

Dr Loria has performed none of this.Besides, Dr Loria\'s records show a liability claim of $150,000 settled in April 2007. But that's ok. Maybe he inadvertently cut someone's penis. Dr, if you are reading this, it is just a joke.So to sum up this part, by his own school's standards, and by the American Board of Cosmetic Surgery Dr Loria is not a good choice for Cosmetic Surgery, plain and simple
Shady advertisementsI did various searches around the theme of Dr Loria. I found some interesting facts.- On healthgrades.com there are 3 reviews about him. There are 8 criteria. Dr. Loria is below the national average for each of them. Oh, that's for Family Practice, of course, but it tells you something.

- On hairrestorationnetwork.com there is 1 positive comment by a guy who says Dr Loria is awesome. Strangely, this lone guy made only 1 post. Other users of the forum seem to be unconvinced, I quote ' It is always suspect when a poster pops up and raves about a doctor who has received negative reviews on here with no pictures and just one post. It\'s become a pattern actually. John Young, if you wish to do your doctor and his work justice please post some pics of the work. Thank you. ' It may remind something to people here. Also interesting to note is that another member replied in the same thread, saying ' He performed surgery on a young guy (me). I am now in my 40s with awful scars, pitting, pluggy look ( had some removed) in some bigger grafts and pretty much stuck. The single worst thing Ive done in my life is meet DR Loria and let him cut me. ' There are some convincing details to the story.

On the same site Dr Loria himself replied, something along the line of ' I am a good doctor and I guarantee my work. ' and published photos. Unfortunately, one of the members of the forum who works in the graphic design industry, wrote that the photos were obviously ' photoshopped '.

So I requested the opinion of a friend who works for Chanel, doing photoshop retouching, every single day. The guy is an absolute expert. He confirmed. 'very bad photoshopping '. Ooops. That is the Dr himself posting photoshopped pictures. As the forum members began attacking Dr Loria about this, another new member with only one post wrote to say only good things about him. To what 2 other members replying with horror stories about hair grafts gone bad. Dr Loria or someone who pretended to be Dr Loria sent a threatening PM to one of the members. The thread is hilarious. www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/14696...-messed-me-up-4.html

Talking about photos, there is a comment on Google Plus by a guy who states this ' I met with Dr Loria once. After seeing photos which he claimed was his own work, I ran out of his office as fast as I could. I saw the same exact photos at one of the biggest hair transplant centers just 2 weeks before! Dr Loria failed in Long Island NY (look up his work in Plainview). He is still in cosmetic surgery, yet now he is doing penis enlargements...SERIOUSLY '. This reviewer wrote negative, neutral and positive reviews about other businesses in the area, so it is rather convincing.

On vitals.com there are 15 reviews. Almost all of them are not convincing. To be quite frank they sound like they have been written by an indian SEO shop. I know, I hired two of these in the past and they all have the same writing style. And they praise too much. He is ' second family ', the result ' far exceeded the expectations ' etc.

My favourite is this one ' There are many jealous physicians who find there way on websites such as this to defame and ridicule him. He has helped thousands of people medically and surgically as well. Anyone who knows Dr. Loria knows full well that he cares and would do anything to help you '. Only a bad SEO techie would write this. It does not make any sense.

One of the favourite technique of shady SEO shops is to post comments everywhere, on totally unrelated sites. This is, by the way, against Google Rules ( support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66356 ) and the linked website should be reported because it is trying to deceive the consumer. But anyway a search with Dr Loria and SEO returns hundreds of shady pages. My favourite is this one :

Frigidaire Refrigerator Reviews | REFRIGERATORGURU.NET
http://www. refrigeratorguru. net/frigidaire-refrigerator- reviews? -

SEO agency says: ...... Dr. Loria: Dr. Victor Loria, D. O., is the medical director of the Boca Raton-based penis enlargement and Reconstructive Surgery ...

At least it is clear, we now know who is behind all these posts. ' SEO Agency ' himself.

Note the relevance of the subject. What the heck. Hair loss, penis surgery, frigidaire' It's all the same, innit.

Just to confirm the use of a shady SEO boutique, the videos from the website of Dr Loria, penis enlargementus, are hosted on servers ns1.seovideoservice.com. A look at the page seovideoservice.com gives a good idea of how serious this company is. ' complete marketing services. Test. Test post '. And the domain identity is protected by ' domainbyproxy '. Who needs to hide their identity ? But let's say these reviews are genuine. None of them are about penile surgery. Hair transplant is probably not such a difficult technique, is it, but then why would one of the comments speak about the really bad experience they had with him ? Oh, and some positive comments are about his weight loss activity, not surgery.
I contacted via PM LongTexan, who asked me to contact him (he gave me his email) so that I could call his phone number so he could explain things to me. He also added this
I am happy with results. I feel more comfortable talking about these matters than subjecting myself to all the criticisms of others.. Dr. L is a good option in my opinion I did my research and talked to 6 former patients. I talked to him on phone on many occasions. It seemed like the best option for me. I just want to help others decide for themselves. Because it is you and yours that will have to live with the results. And it was easier for me to decide after talking to many former patients. And it all went down just as they told me. Very professional and positive experience. I had the second procedure two days ago. I know you have a lot of questions as did I ll share with you my experience and results.

The address email he gave me seems to belong to a real person. I found two posts from the same email address, one on a site about farms equipment, one about penis pumps dating back to 2007. So I would say this could be real, however all the rest is far too bad. Too many red flags.

What we have is a Dr who did not receive specific training in cosmetic surgery or urology, who pays a cheap SEO company to write good reviews about him, who posts photoshopped photos or photos of jobs he did not do. Plus the rest of the thread here.

I wonder if he will threaten me. I was sincerly hoping his procedure was good, but, sorry Dr, you are not going to have my dick in your hands.

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278189883

Cya@8 wrote:

Mustang2020 wrote:

Cya@8 wrote: Here is my issue with out-of-country doctors and why I am so interested in Dr. Loria.

Is Dr. C even made to carry insurance? What if there were complications and I needed to sue? What are the laws governing multinational lawsuits? I\'m almost certain there would be no recourse for me if something were to go wrong or a Dr. using less the medical grade PMMA ?

Greed will keep them in check but what happens if greed makes them want to cut corners? Here, at least Dr. Loia MUST carry insurance and is subject to the laws of this land.

I would trust him more than Dr. C just for the facts stated above. There are repercussions for Dr. L that go beyond money.


WOW...IF you have read about loria here and you read about Dr C here yet you still would trust loria purely because he is in the US even though loria has lied to us all and Dr C has shown dignity AND superb results with some very minor complication rates...so far at least!

Also, if you have read about elist, who works his magic in ruining people\'s lives in Beverly hills no less, you will find that he is protected by the many disclaimers that one has to sign BEFORE he inserts a failed silicone implant in your penis only to remove it later with disastrous results....

This is already going where I thought it was going...

Anyway, good luck with your decision.


I\'ve been reading. yes. i don\'t have a bad opinion about Dr. C. I just live miles from Dr. L and have not studied the laws of Mexico. Mexico seems like the wild west to me compared to the US governmental oversight you get here.

I\'m months away from committing to anything so I have time to change my mind. This is nothing more than preliminary thoughts about where I might feel the most comfortable. I\'m in no rush.. I\'m fine @ 8 BPEL x 5.25MSG.


The wild west of penis enlargement is the United States of America. Make no mistake about it. If I had a good insurance plan and a more typical health problem, such as cancer or heart disease, then there is no country on the planet that I\'d rather be treated than the US. However, the fact the standards of health care can be so good and there is a good legal system for those seeking recompense, can give people a false sense of security. Every country has it\'s bad PE surgeons, but I don\'t think anywhere can rival the likes of Sheldon Burman, Gary Rheinschild, James Elist, Ricardo Samiter or Mel Rosenstein. Btw you penis is huge. You don\'t need to consider an enlargement procedure. Also at the moment one of our members is making good progress investigating a good temporary option and the Dr is based in Florida. Wouldn\'t that be a better compromise than allowing and osteopath to inject with a a product that very little is known about for filling large volumes and the manufacturer explicitly states shouldn\'t be used in this manner?

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278189909

That\'s a lot of good information. Thanks, O.

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278190284

hoddle10 wrote: Every country has it\'s bad PE surgeons, but I don\'t think anywhere can rival the likes of Sheldon Burman, Gary Rheinschild, James Elist, Ricardo Samiter or Mel Rosenstein. Btw you penis is huge. You don\'t need to consider an enlargement procedure. Also at the moment one of our members is making good progress investigating a good temporary option and the Dr is based in Florida. Wouldn\'t that be a better compromise than allowing and osteopath to inject with a a product that very little is known about for filling large volumes and the manufacturer explicitly states shouldn\'t be used in this manner?

You just named the most popular Phalloplasty surgeons I know of. They are all bad at their craft?

I am not huge in my mind, more like average. I have not always been this big either. I\'ve been practicing manual PE off and on since 2002. I guess the stigma sticks with you until you have a monster. Plus, I have an Inch + of fat pad so it doesn\'t look 8\", more like 6.75-7. I need EG to make me feel \'huge\' and don\'t like the idea of Clamping nor PGE1. Too much time and still risky.

I am a member over @ PEGym and there are pix there and even at Thundersplace from about 2003. look me up under \'Cya at 8\' if you are interested in the pix.

Thanks to Obsessed for the info. Definitely made me think more about Dr. Loria.

Oh and which member is getting the temp fillers? Now I wouldn\'t mind that all all as a compromise.

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278190581

Obsessed
Thank you so much for the research and detail you put into that epic post of yours.
That\'\'s got to be nail in the coffin for this shithead (AKA Dr. Loria). I really can\'t see how any sane man would consider this guy for a hair weave, much less a procedure on his one and only schlong.

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278190588

Cya@8 wrote:

hoddle10 wrote: Every country has it\'s bad PE surgeons, but I don\'t think anywhere can rival the likes of Sheldon Burman, Gary Rheinschild, James Elist, Ricardo Samiter or Mel Rosenstein. Btw you penis is huge. You don\'t need to consider an enlargement procedure. Also at the moment one of our members is making good progress investigating a good temporary option and the Dr is based in Florida. Wouldn\'t that be a better compromise than allowing and osteopath to inject with a a product that very little is known about for filling large volumes and the manufacturer explicitly states shouldn\'t be used in this manner?

You just named the most popular Phalloplasty surgeons I know of. They are all bad at their craft?

I am not huge in my mind, more like average. I have not always been this big either. I\'ve been practicing manual PE off and on since 2002. I guess the stigma sticks with you until you have a monster. Plus, I have an Inch + of fat pad so it doesn\'t look 8\", more like 6.75-7. I need EG to make me feel \'huge\' and don\'t like the idea of Clamping nor PGE1. Too much time and still risky.

I am a member over @ PEGym and there are pix there and even at Thundersplace from about 2003. look me up under \'Cya at 8\' if you are interested in the pix.

Thanks to Obsessed for the info. Definitely made me think more about Dr. Loria.


A resounding yes. 2 of them are in prison. 2 others had their medical licenses taken away from them, but sadly only after years and years of butchering guys. It\'s just so difficult to take action against them. Most guys just don\'t seem to get that the reason so few Dr\'s do PE surgery is that it\'s fraught with problems that can\'t be controlled via surgical skill. The surgeons that still do these procedures tend do be mavericks or those that don\'t have anywhere else to go and are dependent of doing PE for their livelihood.

Take Dr Krakovsky, for example, he used to work in a now defunct pain management center that also owned the company Gary Rhienchild worked for. That\'s how he got into PE surgery and if he left what could he do? He\'s got no real qualifications. It\'s either continue in PE surgery or retire. Look at Rosenthal, after his involvement with Mel Rosentein, realistically who would employ him?

Gary Alter is very honest and tells it straight. He no longer does Girth procedures as his practice is diverse and he\'s therefore always busy and doesn\'t need the money. The only guys who do these procedures are those that depend on it for their living.

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278191617

Obsessed did you talk to Texan on the phone and get his story?
Any pics would he share?
Kcchief

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Dr. Loria 14 years 1 week ago #1278199203

kcchief wrote: Obsessed did you talk to Texan on the phone and get his story?
Any pics would he share?
Kcchief


No, I did not bother to do that. Why would not he want to share his story for everyone here, instead of asking to phone? I do not need a chat buddy, I want information. He failed to deliver that. Besides I am in Moscow at the moment so our timezones are kinda different.

There was also another user who reported a successful operation with Dr Loria on pegym, but he did not show any photo and stopped posting after messageman (if I am correct) accused him of being a shill. That guy had a pretty decent history on that forum, but why would he stop posting? And why didn\'t he share pics?

The positive comments about Dr Loris ALL raise questions that are left unanswered. No pictures, no details, nothing.
The negative comments are proven with facts.

For me the case is closed.

If you just compare with Dr C., by applying the same method, his internship is unclear but he did postgraduate in Dermatology, which is already better than general practice. He claims to be a specialist in reconstructive dematology, and as a matter of fact has a proven track record with HIV patients who suffer from various types of lipoatrophy. I tried to find some informations about reconstructive Dermatology and saw that the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology publishes articles such as \"Reconstructive alternatives for aesthetic closure vary in specific cheek subunits.\". On the website of this academy, one can find pages such as \"What is a cosmetic Dermatologist\" and \"Are fillers the right choice for you ?\" among others which show that Dermatology and fillers are closely related. Therefore Dermatology is relevant when it comes to injecting some filler under the skin, and Dr C practices what he was trained for.


He has published scientific papers which have been quoted often times, showing they are of good quality, such as \"Casavantes LC, Izabal JM. Stability, tolerance and safety of Bio-alcamid, an injectible endoprosthesis gel for correction of facial lipoatrophy. Dermatologia, Cosmetica, Medica y Quirurgica. 2004;2:1\" and \"Casavantes L.C. BioAlcamid, a highvolume injectable posthesis for facial reconstruction in HIV related lipoatrophy: a report on 100 patients / L.C. Casavantes, M. Gottlieb // Antivir. Ther.'2004.'Vol.9.'P.37.\" which gives an idea of the number of operations he has already practiced (and that was 2004).

He is a member of various dermatological societies in Mexico and South America.

His youtube videos show him performing facial reconstruction, nose reconstruction and penile enhancement. All this is related, there is no surprise, he does not deal with anything else than reconstructive Dermatology.

Another doctor, Gerald Pierone (who gets a very high rating on many sites) from the Aids research and treatment center of the treasure coast writes \"I did visit Dr. Casavantes in Tijuana and he is an excellent doctor. He does great work with PMMA and I would have no hesitation having him work on a member of my family.\"

So, he is not a cosmetic surgeon and would also fail the american board of cosmetic surgery test, but his curriculum makes sense when it comes to fillers.

Plus, the people who claimed successful operation with him posted convincing details and photos. I could not find negative comments about him. The patients who are unhappy with the results blame themselves, nit him, and still speak highly of him, which is something rarely seen.

And no SEO company was involved in his online reputation, which comes from various sources with substantiated facts.

There is simply no red flag here. If you compare those two Drs, it is just like day and night.


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