TOPIC: PMMA - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

Hi Irishfan,

Steroids will inhibit collagen formation around the PMMA beads but only for a temporary period i.e. when you stop taking them the new collagen will come back again later on.

Do steroids help or hurt the growth of new collagen? I would tinkling that some of them could help.

Hi Boost,

Everyone\'s body is reacting differently than the others in regard of the amount of the new collagen formation around the PMMA beads ; (The age, smoking, steroids etc.).

We have mentioned before that the longer and thicker penis needs more PMMA volume to be injected than the shorter and thinner one just to have the same gain.

As far as I remember Mikehok\'s pre-PMMA stats was EL around 6\" and EG 5.1\" so that means you need less volume of injected PMMA than him just to have the same gain as his (0.4\" he had this gain from the 1st month till 10 months post 1rd.).

But you have 0.35\"-0.6\" gained in EG (sure that depends on EQ) which is good.

@Hoddle10
Pre PMMA: 4.5 EG
Right after procudure: 5.8 EG
3 Month Mark: 5.5 EG
Current: 4.85-5.1 EG depending on EQ

I had round 1 done back in January so its been over 6 months.

@Smartman
I don\'t remember MikeHok\'s starting measurements but I doubt my starting stats could be considered larger. haha. Seriously though.. 4 EL/4.5 EG starting.

I\'ve also considering the fact that I smoke can be affecting the collagen.

Yeah I was going to say... where is the evidence that 20% produces more problems than 30%?... on this board there are only a very small handfull of people who have had 30% (and even fewer or if any that have had a full 30% session with Dr. C).

Seems to be (rather predictably so) that 10% gives less of a gain than 20%, but with less concentrated material in the first place it gives less odd outcome areas.

Has anyone seen the consistency of the PMMA product itself? To me it looked almost like a gell when they would squeeze excess out of my entry holes... Which would lead me to believe that mixing 10% and 30% would require quite a bit of stirring to get it to mix evenly. Just a thought.

To be fair and balanced, The results of Dr C on this site have been mostly problem free and with minimum to no lumps and nodules. So, it is also very possible and probable that the dynamics of the penis being always changing shape and size contributes to some of the PMMA being placed in areas the Dr did not intend it to. I really feel that if you are a Grower, chances are you will get some pumps where as if you are a shower, then chances are you will get nothing.....

on my next corrective session, I will ask to see the date and mfg of the materials used and I will report accordingly.

We need to work together with the Dr to keep up his standard of work and improve the quality of his work, to benefit us all.

To clear things up if the patient verified pure metacril was being injected, there would be no risk of infection.

However we know that there is no 20% metacril, so the doctor is either mixing, substituting with another brand, or both.

By mixing in office the risk is two fold:
*incomplete mixing leading to nodules (this problem seems to be more prevalent in 20% patients vs 10% or 30%).
*introduction of pathogens leading to infection (antibiotic would prevent this)

@Sizemic


I agree with you totally, this was indeed discussed back on the former PhalloBoards version 1 and and the my best recollection it was established that there is some sort of anti-bacterial property to this medium. FWIW


HC

Forgive me if I am wrong or out of place here... but I seem to remember on the old forum us having this discussion about infection etc and I thought we came to the conclusion that the risk of infection from PMMA is almost zero to none??? Something about the product itself and the size and nature of the beads preventing bacteria from forming etc...

I might go back and look but I thought we came to the conclusion that any infection was likely do to the entry holes (ie, not cleaning them well enough while they heal, or having sex too early etc).

Any light to be shed? Forgive me if this has already been answered...

I think the anti biotics are used primarily for preventing infection form the few small incisions they make for the cannula to go thru.

If I remember correctly, I think I did ask if they mix their PMMA at Dr C\'s office and the answer was affirmative....

\"IF\" the carrier of the PMMA of different concentrations is the same, why then if mixed will there is the potential problem of PMMA beads sticking close to each other and causing problems? once mixed and shaken well, they should technically have uniform concentration, yes?

I agree

These chinese are mimicking mostly every products in the market, it will be interesting to examine their Artefill under the electron microscope and to see their purity, I think they are capable one day to produce almost 100% pure PMMA beads like in the Artefill made in US.

I think it is a fact of life many things originate from China. And yes PMMA beads are primarily used for industrial products (paints, plastics) so they need to be cleaned first.

But Chinese are just as capable as anyone else to deliver a safe product. The PMMA/artefill is not approved by the license holders (artefil/metacril/newplastic) however, hence the lower cost.

@Bigben I do agree with your statement :- \" Personally I feel mixing the pmma in house could be much more of a problem due to potential bacteria and incomplete mixing (leading to nodules) \".


And you are right about China they manufacture the pmma microspheres and other pmma injectable products:-

As far as I know injectable the Brazilian\'s pmma products (e.g. Metacrill, NewPlast and the new Linea Safe) are all manufactured in Brazil. But the manufacturer of e.g. the past NewPlast and the new Linea safe in Porto Alegre, Brazil purchased these pmma (beads) in Korea or China. Since PMMA microspheres are mainly produced for paints, and there are no 100% clean microspheres on the market all should be washed and cleaned (sieve analysis)(which is a very complicated). But the crude pmma bone cement is manufactured in Germany.

Also as we know Artecoll which is used in e.g. Europe, Asia and Canada is used to be manufactured in Holland but now it is manufactured in China.


Also interesting in China they manufacture Artefill (1 ml=$112) very cheap :-

www.24meds.org/buying-artefill-steroid-online.php

Also again (I think) in China too they manufacture another pmma product but this time they mix pmma with Hyaluronic Acid ---> Juveni pmma permanent (3ml=$149) so cheap:-

www.components-electronic.com/product-se...z_semipermanent.html

www.juveni.com/wholesale-10-x-juveni-pmm...oplasty-30mg-ml-3ml/

But with this Juveni products you can have complications e.g. infection ??? the possibilities that the hyaluronic acid or the pmma beads are contaminated with bacteria :-

www.realself.com/forum/juveni-confort-juveni-mesolift

So that is true what you have said China is the country :- they manufacture pmma microspheres (to Brazil ??) and some pmma products (Artefill, Artecoll (e.g. Europe,Asia and Canada) and Juveni dermal fillers (Europe and Australia) etc.

This suggestion of using Chinese made stuff is very very serious. I was told by Dr C\'s office that the New Plastic they used on me (three sessions and I asekd every single time to be sure) was the original stuff, I do hope that we will find out for sure what was being used in the case of Metacrill or NP...

Dr C has a good reputation on this site and he has a lot to gain/loose, so I do hope that one way or another the facts come out to the surface now matter what they are...