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While I didn't get the same kind of procedure (I had dermal fillers), I can totally relate to @bicboyanaconda733 's description on how it's palpable to some extent flaccid, and hardly noticeable (if at all) when erect. The reality is that penises come in different sizes, curves, shapes, skin color variation, veiny-ness, small/large glans (i.e. penis head), and so on.

I've slept with a good number of partners and none of these women have cared to inspect or comment, and if they do, it's usually in amazement; like I had one woman (who was promiscuous and likely seen many dicks) straight up say "holy shit" after grabbing my shaft. I always tell guys, if you act like you have something to hide, it will invite scrutiny. Just carry it like it's your own because it will be your own -- whether filler or graft, these will integrate into your tissue and become a part of you in a sense.

Thank you for the warm and enthusiastic introduction! I am excited to be recognized as a provider for girth enhancement, as well as scrotal and glans enhancements in the S. Florida area. Working out of Fort Lauderdale, I have witnessed firsthand the impact of non- FDA approved fillers and the negative outcomes associated with them. That is why I use only FDA approved filers, fillers approved for use in the face but being used off label for penis shaft, glans and scrotal enlargement. I feel this is a safer, and more effective methodology for enlargement, prioritizing the well-being and satisfaction of every patient.

At GetMoreGirth, where I am proud to be a part of a leading team, we are passionately devoted to boosting individuals' confidence and sexual satisfaction. Our penis enlargement procedures emphasize safety, effectiveness, and individualized attention, ensuring each client experiences optimal results and care.

My experience as a Board-Certified Dermatologist, and member of the American Academy of Dermatology, has allowed me to hone my skills and expertise in dermal filler technology. I offer a multitude of Hyaluronic Acid Brands (Volux, Voluma, Vollure, RHA-4, Lyft), as well as Bellafill, ensuring a comprehensive approach to meet every unique need and expectation. This variety ensures that each patient’s enhancement journey is personalized, safe, and effective.

For years, women have embraced the world of cosmetic enhancements, boldly transforming their appearances and uplifting their self-esteem. It is time men to embark on this empowering journey.

As a dermatologist with a special focus on male aesthetic enhancements, I wholeheartedly advocate for men to explore the world of cosmetic procedures, specifically girth, scrotal, and glans enhancements. The pursuit of self-confidence and satisfaction is universal, every individual deserves the opportunity to feel their absolute best.

The experience of helping men enhance their size is not only fun but also incredibly rewarding. It brings me happy to see the positive impact these procedures have on their confidence, self-esteem, and overall quality of life. Indeed, it stands as perhaps the most enjoyable and fulfilling aspect of my work in the field of cosmetic procedures.

Feel free to reach out for any inquiries or additional information. Thank you again for your warm welcome.

Dr. Sullivan

I'm excited to introduce our first-ever Florida area Provider for girth enhancement, as well as scrotal and glans enhancements. Dr. Tory Sullivan is a well-reviewed Dermatologist operating out of Fort Lauderdale who has spent the past few years repairing the poor work of other Floridian practitioners, so he has taken it upon himself to employ his own methodology for a safer, more effective means of enlargement.

Skin-Care Specialists/Dermatologists, Urologists, and Plastic Surgeons make for the best phalloplasticians, and his work with Dermal Fillers (keyword *dermal, as in "dermis," meaning skin) makes him exceptionally qualified in this regard.

Dr. Sullivan offers a multitude of Hyaluronic Acid Brands as well as Bellafill (Long-term temporary and Permanent fillers respectively).

For more information on his GetMoreGirth Clinic, follow these links:
GetMoreGirth Website

Directory Listing (Here you can find some of his Videos, but you'll need a YouTube Login to view)

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Please allow him to introduce himself before submitting any replies to this topic, thanks

atxguy wrote: That's interesting about the loss in length. Not that it's good interesting. I have had 2 rounds of silicone oil (yes, I know it's not ideal....). I gained .75 inches after the first so I was 6" around then. I got nothing from the 2nd round except nodules that I'm diligently massaging away. Through this though, I thought my dick looked shorter....I initially thought that since it was longer and was thinner that it was perception...once it got fatter maybe it would look more proportional so not quite so long and skinny. (8x5). Now, I'm 7ishx6. I wasn't aware that this could happen so I'm a little shocked. I'm in the process of figuring out what to do with the lack of progress on the 2nd procedure so hopefully, it'll get me to the 6.5" girth I wanted.

Have others experienced loss of length with fillers?

A small loss of length is possible with fillers, usually due to the skin accommodating new size thus inhibiting a negligible amount of length -- usually this returns on its own OR requires a bit of stretching/hanging to get back, but it isn't permanent loss.

However it is my responsibility to remind readers that silicone oil is a poor choice of dermal filler for the penis, especially in high volume. I wouldn't recommend pursuing any additional rounds of silicone. If you're thick already, take what you got and call it a victory, the risks are not worth additional rounds of that "stuff."

p76k03 wrote: Thank you SO for chiming in. If you think my question is not relevant to the post, I'll happily start a new one. But continuing with the subject for now, so in your view, it is not that Alloderm would always guarantee to shrink over time (in 2-5 years, not 10-15 years' time, where you get older and your body might change naturally), but it is due to the nature of stacking the grafts that causes the grafts to "die" or fail due to insufficient vascularization that causes the appearance of shrinkage over time, correct? If so, I do think it's a really attractive alternative to fillers, barring the risk of infection (which is not unique to phalloplasty) and poor vascularization (which the chance of is now greatly reduced with the advent of this new technique). For me personally, I'm 5.5 EL but only 4 EG, so wanting to gain 1.5 to put me at 5.5 EG seems very unrealistic through Ellanse alone without sacrificing the aesthetics of the penis (which is the only method I considered when I first discovered phalloboards 3 years ago). But I do think with the reintroduction of the Alloderm method combined with fillers, it's a better option as a starting point for my phalloplasty journey with my 5.5 EG goal in mind. For now, I'm in the process of seeking more review data from other sources since it seems very new here and there have only been 3 progress reports so far. I'm really intrigued with one of the sponsors, Proud Urology, here claiming they have thousands of patients since 2016 with their 5S Surgery which is very similar to what Dr. Liu does, so I'm trying to dive into local South Korea's social media to see if there are any reviews by the locals who have had the surgery longer. But I do imagine that since SO have accepted them as the first Asian Sponsor, he must've already seen great results/reviews before accepting them as a sponsor, so it's really encouraging to see the progress with this new technique. One thing that I find unfortunate is the fact that since this is such an invasive procedure, a lot of people who have had semi-permanent / permanent filler (Ellanse or PMMA) are probably going to be recommended against this procedure, meaning there wouldn't be as much review data as there would be for other injectables such as Ellanse or PMMA.

I'll happily answer your questions but I would recommend any further questions be created as a New Topic in the General Discussion section since this is Southbay612's Progress Report, and would prefer it not get sidetracked too much.

As for my take on shrinkage and contraction of these dermal grafts, it comes from my discussion wit Surgeons over the years. It made the most sense when Dr. Solomon (who had spent years repairing matters related to graft failures from other Surgeons who are no longer practicing due to retirement), saw the common denominator in all the patients with complications --> too many "sheets" or "stacks" of Alloderm or Belladerm. He knew you really weren't supposed to use that much for the reasons I mentioned in my previous reply (tissue integration, vascularization and so on), and a conservative approach would yield the best chances of graft success.

Yes, assuming the Surgeon would do both graft and filler (I don't believe Dr. Solomon uses fillers at all, strictly dermal grafts, but Dr. Liu and Proud Urology may offer it at their discretion), you could conceivably achieve 5.5" in erect girth.

Yes, I'd recommend doing your research on Dr. Liu and Proud Urology but don't be surprised how limited your findings will be -- penis enlargement isn't a mainstream topic and finding authentic reviews can be challenging. A lot of times when vetting a Sponsor, I have to take other things into consideration and not just strictly reviews (assuming there isn't an alarming trend in negative comments). Guys aren't going on their public account to post a 5 Star rating on Yelp or Google Reviews. Heck, I have thousands of visitors to this site, but only a small percentage post, much less progress report. Many of them read, research, book an appointment, get their procedure, and go about their lives.

For that reason I think we all should appreciate members like Southbay612 for his contributions, by providing a detailed account of his journey for our Community.

If you have any additional questions, you can Private Message (PM) me, or start a New Topic. Thanks.

p76k03 wrote: Some of the past concerns regarding Alloderm/Belladerm were infection (which I think has been addressed by SO as a result of stacking 2 or more grafts, increasing the likelihood of infection). But I'm interested if anyone can chime in regarding the risk of the Alloderm sheet shrinking unevenly, thus resulting in a curved shaft.

A bit of a correction here: the shrinkage was a result of over-stacking the grafts, not necessarily infection. The excessive layering of Alloderm or Belladerm at the time was aimed at providing the patient huge gains because that's what Doctors were advertising at the time. What ended up happening was that the graft began failing due to insufficient vascularization (too much to adequately integrate the tissue scaffold/graft). This atrophy would occur unevenly creating the appearance of shrinkage and contraction.

What is done now is that the Surgeon tailor cuts the graft to accommodate your shaft's length and will cap the thickness so as to avoid implant failure. And there is nothing to scoff at when it comes to gains as much as 0.5" to 0.75" (find any two comparable cylindrical objects at last a half an inch bigger in circumference than one another and you'll see what I mean). It doesn't suffer from the irregularities presented by dermal fillers (nodules, ridges, and asymmetry), and is a "one & done" process. If you absolutely want additional girth, some (not all) Surgeons will apply dermal filler for increased girth, but don't get carried away, the bigger you go, the more likely you are to sacrifice natural aesthetics.

As for infections, I just suspect that was nothing more than a few reports (there weren't many back in the day) with patients experiencing statistically poor luck. If you Google infection rates, you'll see that any kind of surgery (implying incisions and accessing internal structures of the body) are about 3% -- fortunately most of them are treatable with antibiotics and it just comes with the territory. Heck, even non-surgical dermal filler procedures have a risk of infection, albeit small. Anytime you are in a Clinical setting, no matter how sterile and professionally clean they may be, the risk remains.

The methods have been refined over time, and they are showing positive signs thus far. I should note that it's really down to Alloderm at present time. I don't know of any Surgeon who prefers Belladerm over Alloderm, and Surgimend is currently under a Recall. So if you were to study any graft matrix, I'd look more up on Alloderm at present time.

atxguy wrote: Thank you. I’ve set up some other consultations as well in and around Austin. I did so much research before and so much of it contradicts each other. Depending on who you ask.… One doc says this, one doc says another thing. I trust that it will get worked out.

I get it. The reason I recommended those Doctors weren't just because they are Sponsors, it's because they so happen to have dealt with a lot of silicone repair before; furthermore, most Doctors aren't really acquainted with penis enlargement (it isn't something they get taught in Medical School or Residency), so their input may not be as valuable as the Doctors I named. Like for example, you had "dermal fillers" in the "penis" ... well Dermal would imply asking a Dermatologist and Penis would imply asking a Urologist. Or do you just ask your Primary Care Physician? See what I mean? That's why my strongest recommendation would be to at least consult with the two I mentioned, and if you prefer staying local, have someone in your area perform what advice was given to you. You may have to pay for the consultation but it's a small price to pay to ensure your situation doesn't worsen.

oysters wrote: Im so skeptical about this. It is literally just a PRP protocol. Any PRP provider will tell you to use the stretcher and vacuum devices. Results are not permanent. I did prp and stretching and got good gains that faded away a few months after stopping the treatments. Also it says there can't be any bad outcome but stretching led me to peyronie's disease even though a followed the manufacturer instructions. Smells fishy.

Did you do the PRP monthly? Did you take Nitric Oxide supplements? Did you use medical-grade stretcher and pumps, and do it through a routine not found randomly on Thundersplace or Reddit, but one tailored by a Urologist who studies Sex Medicine? Did this routine have a study associated with it? Did you commit to this routine to a T for at least 6 months? If no, then I'm not sure how your personal experience provides any valid contention here. And if yes, well you yourself admitted gains during the process, so again, your personal experience doesn't invalidate this particular protocol.

Note*- no one is claiming the PRP itself is what provides gains (until proven otherwise, the PhalloBoards does not consider PRP alone as an effective means for penis enlargement). What it is likely doing is providing growth & healing factors after your tunica has undergone tension via stretching & pumping, although Dr. Brandeis can verify if my understanding there is correct.

Permanency I don't know about, and I personally suspect that there will be a small percentage of men who are true classic hard gainers, a term known in the Online Penis Enlargement (PE) scene to describe men who simply don't respond to PE exercises.

Interestingly, you acknowledged seeing good gains. What makes this fishy then? Where is the skepticism if you yourself are living proof that it CAN work. This option are for men who either are already accustomed to PE routines, or those who are simply uncomfortable with medical procedures that involve injections or incisions (which by the way, have their fair share of complication rates).

Following the manufacturer's instructions is meaningless from a PE device company. Most of these devices aren't big companies, they are small entrepreneurs that designed their prototype in their basement, slapped a patent on their version, and outsourced the construction in China (or wherever). The idea with P-Long is that it's custom tailored by a Urologist to ensure growth and minimize injury. For the countless guides out there on Thundersplace, Reddit, theBiohacker, and others, I'd prefer one with some underlying science than those developed by armchair PE gurus.

Any form of PE exercises if done incorrectly, too frequent or too intense can trigger Peyronie's down the road, yes. This is no different than a filler patient suffering from a severe granuloma reaction down the road, or a dermal matrix patient experiencing atrophy or necrosis of their graft due to poor vascularization down the road. All PE methods, surgical or not, are not without risk.

Also, men just started this protocol, I say we save judgment on its merits until they start reporting -- seems a bit misguided to challenge the credibility of a protocol that you yourself admit can produce gains. Permanency is a different matter, and it's possible some men will need to do maintenance routines to keep their size steady. There are a few reports of men who have just started, and one who has yet to report publicly (a veteran member I've known for a decade) has indicated to me in private about his very good results, and he's only halfway through his Protocol.

In other words, I respectfully ask we wait & see, because unlike girth injections, there are no immediate "Before & After's." Furthermore, Dr. Brandeis has been very forthcoming, answering more questions in a single thread than any Doctor has in a long time. As a matter of fact, he was running a special on the frontpage (phalloboards.com). offering the first 5 participants who apply can get the P-Long Protocol at cost if they are willing to share their results here -- I call that confidence in one's product/service.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised with the feedback over the course of months or years that this Protocol could even see little modifications here and there, tweaked to be fully optimal. Members here who would rather opt out of injections or surgery could play a vital role in seeing if this protocol (1) works for most participants, (2) requires minor modifications for optimization, or (3) ultimately does not work for most men and requires going back to the drawing board. For now, having a Study published in an Andrology Journal gives it more weight than any protocol or routine you'll find elsewhere on PE sites, and for that reason, I think it's worth looking into.

Wantingbigger wrote: Is their any long term outcomes of this surgery on this forum? . I'm just wondering if a person who's had filler in the past be a candidate for this surgery?

There are thousands of posts spanning this site, PhalloBoards 2.0 and PhalloBoards 1.0 -- even someone like myself who has read every single post made on all 3 iterations of PB won't necessarily remember an instance or two that may have been mentioned in the span of 13 years.

I say this to say -- please use the Search Function on all 3 sites to see if it's been chimed in before.

Also, *candidacy* for a procedure is a question that can only be answered by Doctor/Clinic (although forum discussion can still be helpful in pointing you in the right direction).

What is known is that fillers have been applied to men with grafts implanted first, but off the top of my head I can't recall if it's been done the other way around (having a graft implanted in an already filler-enhanced penis). This is likely at the Surgeon's discretion, both whether or not the Doctor will offer it, and which filler options are available (fat vs dermal filler vs either).

This question would make for a good FAQ submission to the Phallo-Guide, so I'll try and found out in the coming days. Otherwise my advice would be to use the Search Function & directly reach out to those who are offering this procedure regarding their policy with respect to your inquiry.

NewMember wrote: Day 5

On a perhaps more important and worrisome note, my erections are a little soft. Like the PMMA isn't getting as hard anymore as the natural parts of me like before.

I wouldn't dwell on it too much until the 6 week marker, especially being only 5 days out.

Also, I find it remarkable that the collagen can somewhat mimic an erection despite not being erectile tissue like the corpora cavernosum, I've never understood (or asked) why because I assumed neocollagenesis (creation of collagen) likely triggered some angiogenesis (creation of blood vessels), but at present time I haven't had this confirmed by any online sources, nor have I ran it by any Physician (yet). I assumed that given an erection's means of acquiring blood engorgement meant that any additional/surrounding tissue could become more rigid as a consequence (the dermis is known to contain vessels and PMMA are dermal injections) -- which was and is completely speculative on my part, and frankly I could be way off the mark, so please don't rely on these musings until I get a more professional opinion. While I know the topic of male phalloplasty better than most non-physicians, there are still some things that I will occasionally forget, or simply overlook (like PMMA rigidity).

I have a phone conference with Avanti Derma this week where I will ask them how PMMA can behave both flaccid and erect despite not possessing corporal or phallic-like tissue (or perhaps the nature of the collagen created via PMMA may very well have corporal or spongey properties, and I'll be happy to have this clarified in the near future).

I will note however, as someone who likely is in the top 1% of overall gains achieved via PMMA, you can notice the rigidity diminish ever-so slightly the more you add girth, distancing your external shaft from the actual corporal cavernosum (although we're talking 2 to 3 inches of increased circumference, which means there is tons of collagen). Think about your penis pre-op, you were basically holding your erect corporal tissue that was covered by a thin layer of skin. The stiffest part of your penis is where the erectile chambers draw blood, and PMMA isn't a perfect mimic of erections, just similar -- so too much (of any filler) will suffer from its distance to the erectile chambers responsible for the bulk of your erectile strength (another speculation/musing on my part). This is why low-to-modest gains are best, because you've only thickened your skin only so much, and can very much continue to feel the stiffness of your erectile chambers during erection. Besides, gains as much as 0.5"-0.75" are game-changing for the vast majority of men, so why go overboard?

I should also iterate that despite acknowledging the loss of some (minor) rigidity the larger you go, it's still somewhat negligible as it hasn't adversely impacted my experience with intercourse. If anything, the width & weight alone makes up for what I consider a minor diminishment of rigidity (I have nearly 3+ inches in gains, so I'm an outlier and I suspect more normal guys seeking reasonable/practical goals ought to be alright.)

Despite my own gains, I still advocate Avanti Derma's stance on emphasizing "enhancement instead of enlargement," which is a philosophical approach encouraging modest gains with natural aesthetics, which also means little likelihood of any rigidity-loss. The enlargement mentality suffers (i.e. go as big as possible) from the fact that these procedures increase your size artificially, even if the gains are your own collagen -- this lends itself to loss of natural aesthetics, and like your question, possible impact on erectile rigidity.

As I stated in my opening sentence, it's too early to draw any conclusions on your erection quality until you hit at least the 6 week marker. Good luck & happy healing.

KillerBee wrote: First of all I'd like to say hi everyone. I wanted help if there is a doctor/specialist who can do pmma using linnea safe in europe?

I really don't know of anyone using Linnea Safe in Europe. For a while Metacrill was available and offered in Europe but this was many years ago and I believe Metacrill may have been discontinued altogether (I'll need to double check on that but I'm pretty sure it's not in surplus/circulation). It seems that Linnea Safe is a Latin America brand (i.e. Mexico and South America) and I'll have to look into seeing if it is imported into Europe legally (I'm sure every country has its own "FDA-like" requirements).

A good alternative would be Ellanse, which is available in Europe and available by some providers like Androfill , and possibly others. While the microspheres in Ellanse do eventually breakdown over time, the type of collagen created is like that of PMMA, so it can be very long lasting despite the absence of the PCL (Ellanse) particles themselves.

Alternatively, Bellafill may* be available in Europe but I don't have the full details off the top of my head. This topic certainly makes for an interesting matter for me to revisit Metacrill, Linnea Safe, and Bellafill in Europe (and where exactly in Europe). For clarification, Bellafill is the American patented iteration of PMMA (versus the Latin American produced "Linnea Safe").

Is there a reason why you are specific or adamant about Linnea Safe versus other versions of PMMA, or even other dermal fillers altogether?

Girthman wrote: Yes I do see your point of view here . But however I just can't see the value for money for the consumers at those prices especially long term. But as for the company Androfill you've mentioned I've not seen many positive outcomes recently with them on here.

There are no long-term options for uncircumcised men that I can personally recommend other than surgical graft surgeries (which are considerably more expensive than injectable phalloplasty). As I've stated previously, that isn't to say injectable phalloplasty aren't viable options, but if I'm going to be very honest & transparent, I would much prefer adult circumcision if I choose the route of injectables.

As for Androfill's reviews, I'll have to dispute your assertion. North America accounts for 85%+ of my traffic. This would make the UK alone at best 10% on its best month (5%-7% on average perhaps?). Given how the ratio of people who post -vs- those who don't post yet end up getting procedures after learning about them here, is woefully disproportionate. This makes the sample size of any recent reviews highly skewed.

Have you actually read some of those recent Androfill Progress Reports? Some of them chose not to reveal photos or reply when asked for additional details, and those who did weren't always Dr. Horn patients (a lot of Androfill affiliates use Androfill for branding as a benefit, but not necessarily Androfill themselves; heck, even Upsize Clinic - California and Pollock Clinics - Canada are reputable affiliates). Androfill also had the guts to respond to many of the allegations, substantiating their claims with screenshots and their willingness to resolve outstanding issues -- providing phone numbers and real-time communication in fact.

Of course Androfill has had less than satisfactory results, ALL CLINICS HAVE, much like how every restaurant is capable of over-cooking your steak. What makes great Clinics stand out are low frequencies of aesthetic irregularity, and more importantly, their desire to rectify those irregularities in the best way(s) possible. Some of those Androfill reports have been resolved, I just wish the authors of those posts would update the site accordingly. Some guys just move on, and this is demonstrated if you review every progress report ever made (the older the post, the less frequent the updates). On the same token, I know of a couple Androfill patients who are still not completely happy with their situation either. The same can be said with other Sponsors found on this forum, so it comes as no surprise to me, and nothing that would warrant the raising of an eyebrow.

Androfill has been a long-time Sponsor and trust me, had they revealed themselves to be unethical and/or possessed high rates of dissatisfaction, I would have moved on from our partnership. Trust me when I say I wouldn't lose sleep or any significant loss in PhalloBoards' revenue in parting ways. I have turned down multiple Sponsorship opportunities in the past that would have tripled-or-quadrupled the revenue Androfill brings in, so trust me when I say this has nothing to do with with the bottom line. I stay with them because I know first hand the efforts Francis and Androfill have gone through to rectify unsatisfactory results. More times than not, most guys are quite happy. And to dispel any notions of shilling, here are some non-Sponsors in the U.K. you can consult: Moorgate, Dr. Wakil, and UK Andrology.

Phalloboards Member Damo85 even makes an interesting observation in how little public information and/or reviews there are with respect to phallo-practitioners in the United Kingdom. Among the handful of these practitioners, Androfill is the only one making advancements, expanding their brand, and leading the field as innovators of male phalloplasty in Europe -- period.

Androfill are so ahead of the game in-fact, they've employed the Hyaluronic Acid (HA) First methodology, which is now also being employed by Rejuvall (world renowned Urologists). The idea that not all penises are skin-compliant, circumcised-vs-uncircumcised, etc. So the idea is to inject a small volume of HA first to see how your shaft's dermis adapts and "takes" dermal filler before advancing on to fat, PMMA, or Ellanse. Androfill will also turn away patients who are deemed obsessive or unrealistic in their expectations, a hard policy enacted by at least a third of my Sponsors. Kudos to them!

Speaking of HA, this spongey/soft stigma is outdated and border-line urban legend. Older iterations of Hyaluronic Acid were manufactured with facial application in mind, which require smaller volumes and greater softness. Newer iterations of HA (each brand has different cross-linked formulas) are becoming better suited for areas with larger surface area, and HA satisfaction reports have definitely gone up. This reminds me of Macrolane -- this was an HA that was notoriously lower in viscosity (likely due to the way it was cross-linked) and was originally intended for breast augmentation. It was used by a few European Doctors in the penis, and not surprisingly, had poor results/reviews. Since then, HA manufacturers have made more robust iterations of HA which have proven to be more natural in the penis. Sure, HA is temporary, but the rate at which is dissipates varies person to person. Besides, when you do begin to lose some size, you can go in and get topped off at a fraction of the price because you'll only need a fraction of the volume to top-off your gains. The trade-off is that you have arguably the best dermal filler with respect to safety profile, it's reversible to some extent, and not permanent if you end up not being satisfied with your results in the end. Complications and aesthetic irregularities are easier to manage.

As you've stated, if you can't see the value for the money as a consumer for these prices long-term, well your best bet is to continue shopping, or to wait it out until prices improve over time. Until then, you're dealing with a medical discipline that is neither standardized or mainstream. Niche, elective, specialized, and luxury are words that come to mind. I mean, what's stopping you from flying to Avanti Derma in Mexico or Shafer Clinic in New York? If you can't take my word on Androfill why not invest into traveling if it means something as game-changing as girth enhancement?

As I stated in my previous response, I'm all about providing the readership competitive pricing, hence the options in price, procedure-types, and region/locale. But I'll also reiterate what I said in my last message, if cost/budget is your #1 criteria, this type of elective procedure should not be worth consideration unless you are seriously dealing with under-average endowment.

You can find cheaper volumes of filler from Clinics in the U.K. who are willing to perform girth enhancement because they can, since after all, many fillers are used off-label, but good luck with that. I can't begin to tell you how many "no-name" Clinics put out terrible results that guys don't post here (but rather relay via PM or Email) because they don't want to create animosity with their performing physician(s). No experience, no expertise, and complete opportunists most of the time. Don't cut corners and don't be cheap with your one & only penis. The alternative is to fly to the U.S., but if you consider travel & lodging for at least 3-4 days, you aren't seeing much of a difference in overall value.

As someone (me) who first wondered if a (relatively) safe & effective means of girth enhancement could ever exist nearly two decades ago, even if occasionally imperfect (yet correctable overtime), would be both priceless and impossible, you'll see why I can get a little peeved over complaints about pricing given where we are today. The game-changing, confidence-boosting power of penis enlargement rivals (if not outweighs) the effect, appeal, and acquisition of a sports-luxury car costing 10x a penis enlargement's procedure's value... put that in perspective.

I'm glad to see a resurgence in (viable) surgical options in the discussion as of late. Non-surgical options (like dermal filler injections) have the appeal of being outpatient procedures with relatively low downtime. This may explain why they have dominated the discussion.

However, surgical options tend to offer permanence with far less aesthetic nuisances like nodules, ridges, and asymmetry, especially when performed by a skilled Plastic Surgeon. Surgical options are also appealing in that they are almost always a "one & done" process, whereas non-surgical options may require additional rounds, for both girth and revision.

Like Southbay612 said, please do follow-up with this thread, I believe I can speak for most previous contributors, we do appreciate when members pay their experiences forward. Good luck!

John1982 wrote: Hi lads, been on here for a few years now and finally booked for 15ml HA next month. I will do a progress report after my appointment, but for now i’m just after some advice.

This is more aimed at those who are uncut. Migration to base can be a problem and also to the foreskin, which I’m guessing is going to be a bit a of balancing act so to speak. How did you combat this?

I’ve been through many of the HA threads and find lads saying that sometimes it feels like its moving independently, is this an uncut problem or does this happen in the cut to?

These are really my only concerns right now. If anyone can give me some other pointers they wish they knew before i would greatly appreciate.

Thanks

By and large, what you describe seems to be an uncut-problem. Circumcised men don't seem to report that type of mobility with the skin & filler combination.

I will also repeat what I've said in many other threads because it is important that all UC men see this:

Uncircumcised men CAN have satisfactory results via dermal fillers, however, due to the nature of being uncircumcised, are at a higher degree of risk when it comes to aesthetic irregularities. Furthermore, these aesthetic issues are more challenging to resolve when compared to more common aesthetic issues like nodules, which are quite easy to fix. Fortunately, these are aesthetic "risks" alone, there is no danger to the health or function of your actual penis.

The most common issue is coined the "accordion effect" which is aptly named to describe the bunching up of the skin (which can range in severity from hardly noticeable to requiring intervention/correction).

The three longest active Sponsors on the forums have confirmed they see this trend as well (how uncut men deal with aesthetic issues at a notably higher rate), and this is quite important to hear or read. This is because between the 3 of them, the sample size of their patients combined is very scientifically sufficient to be conclusive in this regard. Granted, I don't have hard numbers or stats, but I see no reason for all 3 Clinics to exaggerate this matter. As far as I remember, 2 of the 3 Clinics strongly recommend circumcision or otherwise require you to sign a waiver, and the remaining 3rd Clinic refuses to do girth injections for uncircumcised men period.

This does not mean other Clinics (Sponsors or non-Sponsors) are unethical for choosing to offer girth injections to uncircumcised men, since aesthetic risks are inherent in all cosmetic procedures. It would be unethical if what they offered dealt with an unacceptably high rate of REAL complications like tissue damage or impotence and so on. I believe it's just that every Clinic has their own risk-threshold with respect to their position with taking on uncircumcised patients, a lot of these policies are purely discretional.

Furthermore, the filler product or brand, nor the skill or experience of the Doctor will necessarily eliminate this inherent risk, it's a purely anatomical matter that can only be eliminated by an adult circumcision. That said, if you wish to remain uncut then seek out only the very best, because while a great Doctor may not eliminate the risk of an accordion effect, they can still ensure you'll get the best results possible regardless, even more so if all goes well and you experience no irregularities at all.

I understand this can be a sensitive subject for some UC guys, so I will say that if you wish to move forward with dermal fillers, these are my personal recommendations based on member feedback from the forums as well as my discussions with physicians:

(1) Seek out an adult circumcision style (high, low, loose, tight) based on what your performing Physician recommends;

(2) Decline circumcision and accept that there are elevated risks for aesthetic issues. Temporary fillers (like HA) over permanent or semi-permanent options (like PMMA and Ellanse respectively), injected in low volumes over multiple rounds so that you can identify problem areas quickly, with HA being reversible (and temporary, meaning if you opt not to have it dissolved, it will not last much longer than 2 years maximum).

I should point out that while I suggested HA over PMMA, doesn't mean PMMA can't also be performed if done so at very low volumes, built up incrementally. It's just that PMMA's permanence can prove a bit more challenging is all, and HA is seemingly superior for uncut men in this regard. And that shows you I'm willing to be impartial here, do you think the PhalloBoards Sponsors who primarily inject PMMA as their go-to filler would be thrilled that I'm conceding thiis?

This PSA wasn't meant to alarm uncut guys from pursuing these procedures, and if these aesthetic issues do arise, they aren't the end of the world and certainly don't involve issues that stem from condemned topics like silicone oil or rigid implants. Despite saying uncut aesthetic issues are more challenging to correct, doesn't imply that they are impossible. And also, if these aesthetic issues arise they sometimes they vary in severity, so you might find that it doesn't bother you much if it's a minor thing.

This PSA was not meant to convince uncut men that they must undergo circumcision, especially for those who are opposed or uncomfortable with the idea. Nor was this PSA aimed at convincing men who are uncircumcised that they are poor candidates for girth enhancement, but rather "not optimal or ideal." It is what it is and it's my responsibility as host & moderator of the general discussion to emphasize these talking points, and I hope it helps.