TOPIC: Infections, Complications, Risks of PMMA?

Since, as per EP\'s table and Biomedical\'s website ( www.biomedical.med.br/site/en/produtos.asp?idProduto=6 ), Newplastic is manufactured at either 2%, 10% or 30% PMMA concentrations, how do you get rounds with 20% concentration?

Excellent thread. Here we go... First and foremost: thanks to CHL for sharing and I wish him nothing but the best result/recovery. that being said... I received 10% with primarily glans injection ( a few at base to balance things out) with smaller canulas. I did not watch the procedure- not my thing. I observed,felt, and heard things that led me to certain assumptions. M7 had his first procedure same day with 20%. I have no (major) complications to report. Odd fact: Wade was very explicit in showing me how to \'milk\' the entry points of any excess material and cautioned me against the use of bandages or \'liquid bandage\' to retain material (procedure done 10/27). He said several patients thought they were losing valuable material as it naturally weeped from entry holes, which resulted in build up or nodules at the entry points. I have one such \'bump\', which I\'m not even remotely concerned about (less than 1mm). Again, very reasonable outcome. Texture:smooth. Function: perfect. Gain: modest, but reasonable. Another odd fact: Wade told me as I was leaving that he hadn\'t slept in two days. I\'m not sure what to make of that... but he mentioned it after appearing momentarily disoriented while writing/describing my post procedure protocol. He seemed momentarily unsure of what/how to recommend with post care and made a few contradictory suggestions. I mention it in passing- no harm or foul implied. He may well have just been exhausted/drained. I did what I did and it worked- thus far. I recently read a post in which a member was expressing his hopes of a 1.25\" gain. REALLY!?? I mean really? Isn\'t that gettting to be a little \'greedy\' for any procedure without major side-effects? So big question: how DOES one get 20%? mixing of 10 and 30 sounds really good if I was in 7th grade science class, not so good injected in my Dick. mixing peanut butter and chocolate doesn\'t give you a reese\'s peanut butter cup gentlemen... summary: I can\'t summarize. I am unaware of any \'cauterizing\' or sharp needle techniques employed, other than it would make sense to create a perforation into which one would insert a blunt canula. My ignorance I guess. I look forward to the progress of this thread. I\'m one of those with \'average/above\' beginning stats and am satisfied with minor imperfections- uhmmm.. have you seen a penis on a billboard lately? They\'re typically not exactly pretty to begin with... Hopefully we can collectively pull it together and focus this thread on any REASONABLE heath threat as opposed to the expected aesthetic/cosmetic pitfalls. Every procedure has them as any contributing member knows. Respect and regards to all.... P.S.- seriously, what\'s up with the 20%? that\'s puzzling...

clarification: Wade said NOT to use liquid bandage as some patients had apparently done. that was what lead to excessive Nodule formation at glans entry points.

Nurse Wade gave the ok, then retracts his professional opinion because of the possible indirect link liquid bandage may have with Nodule formations occuring at the entry points of the circumference line. The patient in question was not self-medicating, he received the permission from the medical staff. And during procedure 2.5 (touch-up round), due to venous bleeding at the entry points they asked if patient in question could even place more of the liquid bandage over the entry wounds to see if it was effective in stopping the bleed, after all else failed a second attempt at electrode cauterization stopped the bleeding, the pain wasn\'t a walk through the park, lidocaine wore off, it was like a hot skillet touching your Dick. Cheers gents (dinner time) Nodule formation theory (influence of 20% batch) will be addressed in the Drudge Report. We should be paid for this...

I have to report that after 12 days I have 4 hard areas in my base/groin area, they are basically at the entry points. I also have white spots and hardness at each entry point.
I am intermittently massaging them (partly because I am a very aware of them).

@EP, thanks for the advice. I am not really alarmed because I know it has been reported before. About how long will they take to soften/heal?

oh ok. thanks again

I had the same kind of \"hard areas\" where the basal entry points were. They did indeed soften over time, though for me it must have taken a few months. Now they are hardly detectable, and that\'s in light of the fact that I\'m less than 6 weeks post-op from Round 3.

Thanks S.O.

Do you think they soften up or Collagen growth make them feel soft or is it one and the same?

I would be very concerned about the use of this product for PE. I fear over the long haul you can expect the collagen to harden and eventually break down the tertiary tissue leading to Necrosis. Hopefully a good plastic surgeon could save the penis.. Time will tell...but as for me FFT seems the best route. I wish you all the best and the Girth augmenation is real but I really am terrified for long term consequences such as absorbtion(auto-immune) and migration(testicles).

@hung--Just curious, what are you basing those assumptions on? Do you work in the medical field?

@hung,
\" I would be very concerned about the use of this product for PE. I fear over the long haul you can expect the collagen to harden and eventually break down the tertiary tissue leading to necrosis. Hopefully a good plastic surgeon could save the penis.. Time will tell...but as for me FFT seems the best route. I wish you all the best and the girth augmenation is real but I really am terrified for long term consequences such as absorbtion(auto-immune) and migration(testicles). \"

I understand your fear about the long-term consequences of pmma in our body, but we know the following points about pmma:-

1- It is used in human for more than 50 years ( Intra-ocular lenses in 1949 for cataract, for artificial joints and bone cement in spine ) without causing biological degradation or cancer and the pmma did not change in its composition.
2- It is used for more than 20 years as a tissue augmentation by Lemperle in europe.
This is an old article of Lemperle in 1991 for the worst PMMA generation \"ArtePlast\" in rats where he used the small beads 10 microns which he found later on that was the reason why he got 2.5% FBG in this product beside its irregular surface and its electro-static charges :-
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1994814
3- It had the FDA approval in 2006 .

Wouldn\'t be these 3 points enough in regard of long term complications of PMMA ??
In summary:- pmma is used for > 50 years in our body, so if there was one case of long term complication wouldn\'t we read about it ?? Would the FDA give the approval for this product to be injected in the face if there was a chance of ( hardening the collagen or break down the tissues surrounding it or absorption or migration) ??
N.B. we are talking only about the product per se (PMMA in general) and its late complications and not the technique of the doctor or the site of injection.
I think the only long term issues I will be more concerned are aesthetic looks (lumps and nodules) and Foreign Body Granulomas (6 months-5 years).

@Smartman
Valid response, but Hunglikeamouse does raise an interesting point since he specifically stated \"I would be very concerned about the use of this product for PE\" and I think that\'s a fair concern.
I know you (Smartman) have had this stuff in you for a few years, but we simply don\'t have any reporting patients from 5 years and beyond with the use of PMMA in the penis.
Hunglikeamouse raises an interesting point because he cites the use of the product in the penis. A similar comparison could be made to silicone. Silicone has been used (successfully) in the body for multiple medical & cosmetic purposes, yet it isn\'t an ideal candidate (in gel or implant form) for the penis.
That being said, I\'m personally comfortable with my own decision and with what I\'ve learned thus far regarding the topic, but I also know that penile bioplasty is relatively new to the Northern Hemisphere, so any decision to entertain this method (or any other) should be done so with thoughtful consideration.

@Hunglikeamouse
Like Ripple, I\'m curious to learn what caused you to cite those specific risks and how your reasoning lead you to scratch PMMA off your list. I think some insight into your thinking may prove useful.