TOPIC: Infections, Complications, Risks of PMMA?

@gst, I have seen the same diagram used many times and its always illustrated the same way. I don\' t know if other docs do it that way or not. I believe any mixing is what he is talking about. At this point its too late for most of us anyway, most of us (if not all) have had the mixed PMMA.

carlos labra is from Brazil I will PM him.

I would be very interested in seeing what Carlos says. I had both the 10% (unmixed) and the 20% (mixed) for my round one with Dr. C.

I personally extend my understanding and (forgiveness?) of Hoddle\'s initial reaction and perception of Fran\'s post. I hope Fran and others do as well. I also greatly value Fran\'s post and hope to learn more. The subject matter and personal connection of every member having had this procedure combined with the sting of past deception and mal-treatment from other procedures will breed passionate responses. I hope both these contributing members realize their respective posts were likely both appreciated by all members and a necessary \'exchange\' for this conversation to continue. Please continue... .....\'just the facts (though) ma\'am\'.... Regards

@BB, so did I. I had 4cc -10% and 18cc-mixed 20% on my 1st and only round so far.

ndbig1 wrote: carlos labra is from Brazil I will PM him.

@ndbig1ok!!!! The article speaks about is reporting a reader\'s column entitled \"CHAT OF MAN\" = \"PAPO DE HOMEM\" This Guy, underwent implantation of PMMA concentration in 31ml of 10%.
He reports to the columnist, that your implant PMMA was good however he reports that after implantation of PMMA his penis \"seems to have been fluffy\" even in Erection or flacid state.This guy, also plans to deploy 10 ml to 15 ml more, but do not know whether to deploy at concentrations of 15% or 20%.Columnist session \"talk of man\" is an orthopedic surgeon and is willing to discuss such matters in his column.
Reported to have gone to investigate your player with another co-worker who works with aesthetic and other types of possible concentrations of PMMA in the penis to be used and warns about the possible formation of nodules to be formed if it makes use of PMMA .
In summary as of interest for this discuss:
He did not think it\'s safe higher concentrations of PMMA and jokes that his friend said that the penis can be crisp-looking .
He also warned that it is not different concentrations of PMMA can cause formation of nodules.
I hope I have helped in the translation.

Hi fran berlin,
I wish you the best and I hope if you can share with us more about PMMA and its risks in general, I will really appreciate it if you can post the pic. of your penis before the surgery (i.e. as you said the rejection of PMMA) if you don\'t have them, usually surgeons will take a pic. of the surgery\'s field before the surgery, you could ask for them or at least for a copy, as I have mentioned before it will be of great help for all of us (not only for the guys who are thinking to get pmma but also for the others who had PMMA already) to see the risks of PMMA penile injection.
You have mentioned about your treating doctors in regard of two points :-
1- \" They were positive saying my body rejected the product. They had heard about pmma, but not injected in the penis. They have each one many years of study and experience. \"
So that means they have never seen a patient before with a penile pmma, I am not saying that they are not very experienced doctors , the answer is no but what I meant they have not seen one case before with penile pmma and i.e. never seen a complication of any penile pmma. Would you agree with me fran if any patient has a complication from any procedure not only from pmma, shouldn\'t he go for a consultation with a doctor who has seen and treated these complications before at least one case.
2- You have mentioned also :-
\" PMMA injections in the penis are not allowed in our countries, because the risk of rejection is possible (is it linked with the technique used? For me it was a canula from the base of the penis) \".
\" Now I think I was insane, and now I do trust the medical staff in our countries. They only allow grease injection (in Europe) I think that our countries consider the risks and are here to put limits to protect us, because we need limits. Esthetic surgery needs limits, because as normal citizens, we just do not understand it \".
\" In our countries we do have governmental medicine agencies trying to do their best, it is their specialty. And now I am trying to be more humble, and trust our system \".

As far as I know there is at least one doctor \"a urologist\" working in your country and btw his clinic is located in your city \"Berlin\", I have mentioned his name few months ago in another thread in this forum for Glans pmma \"Artecoll\" injection, we know almost all of south american doctors wouldn\'t inject pmma in the glans ( due to aesthetic reasons and some said there is a risk of emboli or necrosis of the skin) so that means to me Glans pmma injection is more risky than the penile shaft pmma injection, so if PMMA penile injection is not allowed in your country as far as I remember your treating doctors have mentioned that to you ---> if that is true, what will be the explanation for that i.e. This doctor is allowed for more than 2 years advertising in his web-site about pmma glans injection??? What I heard about the ministry of health in Germany wouldn\'t allow doctors to advertise something which is illegal.
That is his web-site :-
www.masculine.de/en/operations/penis/glans-enlargement.html
He mentioned :- \" It may be performed also through the injection of a maximum of two ml of Articoll at different sites in the substance of the glans. This is not a sure permanent method \".
I spoke to him few months ago in regard pmma glans enhancement and he told me I can fly to Berlin and get the Artecoll injection but he told me there is no guarantee in regard of permanency of pmma, the reason for that imo he injects the pmma deeper than 3 mm, I have sent him the article from south korea where they advised to inject the filler not deeper than 3 mm otherwise you will inject the beads into the blood channels in the corpus spongiosum ---> the chance of emboli . --
It will be very nice of you fran if you can share with us and have your opinion about these previous points.
I am v. happy that you are so relieved now, I do believe your story fran 100% in regard of your penile pmma and I am sure you would like to help everyone here in the forum, so it will be very nice IMO if we can all of us here share our stories and the whole informations about this product not only the good stories but also the bad ones but in more details, they are imo more important.

Appears he recommends Alloderm' for Girth enhancement.

Yeh thats true M7, he uses not only alloderm but sometime he uses also VYPRO ll mesh ( a mixture 1:1 of absorbable and non-absorbable surgical threads) for penile Girth enhancement, and this type of mesh is used usually for hernia Repair and never in the penis.
And the risks of using these mesh are :- severe adhesion of the mesh with the normal surrounding tissues (so it will be very difficult and dangerous to remove it like PMMA), fistula formation and infection.

fffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuck have to write the entire shit again because i googled sth.
so unfortunately this will be less well written. not that i would write anything beautyfull anyways

@ smartman
1. I dont get why you even ask the first question, when everyone with common sense knows the answer. (this doesnt bring you a pro point for PMMA or anything)
Fran wasnt informed enough by his Dr. about the risks of PMMA and was probably happy to have found some other Doctor, who was willing to help him out, and in a situation like this you probably dont question the decision of the Doctors.

2. There are many more diffrent fillers tolerated/allowed in Europe, then in the USA but they are not all tested and approved by the goverment. We dont have such a strict institution like the FDA in the USA has. (strange i would have thought it would be the other way around. Good job USA. Europe needs to follow.)

So PMMA is allowed to be used in some countries in Europe.
However most legitimate Doctors refuse to do so.

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Isnt Dr. med. Aref El-Seweifi comparing VYPRO II Network (the material he uses for penis thickening) to Alloderm and he is saying VYPRO II Network wins, because it would provide more volume and be less expensive. (suprise suprise his material wins)
The Site seems to be not perfectly translated for english readers.

VYPRO II Network is totally new to me, interesting find smartman.

aestheticgirth wrote: fffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuck have to write the entire shit again because i googled sth.
so unfortunately this will be less well written. not that i would write anything beautyfull anyways

@ smartman
1. I dont get why you even ask the first question, when everyone with common sense knows the answer. (this doesnt bring you a pro point for PMMA or anything)
Fran wasnt informed enough by his Dr. about the risks of PMMA and was probably happy to have found some other Doctor, who was willing to help him out, and in a situation like this you probably dont question the decision of the Doctors.

2. There are many more diffrent fillers tolerated/allowed in Europe, then in the USA but they are not all tested and approved by the goverment. We dont have such a strict institution like the FDA in the USA has. (strange i would have thought it would be the other way around. Good job USA. Europe needs to follow.)

So PMMA is allowed to be used in some countries in Europe.
However most legitimate Doctors refuse to do so.

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Isnt Dr. med. Aref El-Seweifi comparing VYPRO II Network (the material he uses for penis thickening) to Alloderm and he is saying VYPRO II Network wins, because it would provide more volume and be less expensive. (suprise suprise his material wins)
The Site seems to be not perfectly translated for english readers.

VYPRO II Network is totally new to me, interesting find smartman.

Most Drs (plasitc surgeons and Urologist) throughout the world refuse to do penis enlargement surgeries period. This is becuase their track record is simply appalling. However, there is a segment of male society for whom the possible rewards ( a more \"normal\" life) may outweigh the risks. From their point of view, PMMA can\'t be compared with other cosmetic materials, but other options by which to enlarge the penis. Most \"legitmate\" Dr\'s don\'t like to use PMMA as the main alternative, hydrolic acid based products, are deemed safer. But in terms of penis enlargement can this really be said? In an ideal world these procedure should only really be options for guys who really need them. But that isn\'t going to be the case. So all we can do is try and find the method that is least likely to cause serious problems.

@hoddle,
You meant Hyaluronic Acid based products.

@hoodle
Sure thing we know by now its a all a experimental, and i like it because otherwise there wouldnt be any or minimal progress. I just said that because i have just come across a Doctor following this phillosophie.

You know i want some method aswell, we all want it


Here is what this other Hyaloronacid Dr writes about Glans enlargement with Hyaloronacidgel. Google translated, so there might be some mistakes.

\"This is difficult and we do not advise this. The glans consists of a venous erectile tissue. Injections of an acorn is mainly lead to a replenishment of the cavity and prevent a further increase in Erection. The glans enlargement is limited. In particular, the glans provides a means of magnification. The glans enlargement is also done by injection of Hyaluronic Acid gel. Thus, an unbalanced size ratio between the shaft and glans just something aesthetically pleasing. The effect of injection volume is lower at the glans by the lack of support as the base of the corpora cavernosa of the penisshaft and the implantation of a gel is non-functional. The Hyaluronic Acid injection into the glans is also applied to the premature ejaculation (ejucalatio praecox) to delay. Here is a flat injection to stimulate fibrosis. Studies have intravaginal ejaculation latency may be extended by a Restylane ' injections to the penis several times. Here you will find information on the glans enlargement with Hyaluronic Acid .\"

@aestheticgirth,
I am sure Fran\'s surgeon did a great job on his penis (with only 3 small scars) and thank god he didn\'t go to someone else who would try to remove the whole PMMA in his penis ---> there will be a high chance of shaft\'s skin Necrosis and skin loss then it will be a disaster.

Btw in regard of VYPRO II mesh and (also Prolene mesh) are used by some plastic surgeons for nasal dorsal augmentation, but most of these surgeons have stopped using them now because there was a higher rate of infection and adhesions.

I think all of you guys here in the forum are luckier than the old PMMA\'s members (e.g. Fred, Fran Berlin and myself etc.) to have this forum and the amount of knowledge about PMMA, its risks and what are the best treatments for these risks.