TOPIC: Infections, Complications, Risks of PMMA?

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very good.

I received a return email from Wade this past weekend. Here is his response to FBG\'s and the use of Metacril.

Hi M7x6,

Glad to hear that all is going well.

1. Metacrill has not proven to be a lessor product than the mentioned others. In 2006 there began a lot of counterfeiting of PMMA\'s, and is most likely the cause for the bad reviews for Metacril. I will be inserting the product information received from Metacril on our website: www.girthenhancement.com
2. We have experienced only one true granulaoma many years ago around the eye of one patient, it was treated with Kenalog injections. All FBG eventually resolve on their own.
3. Once Linnea Safe becomes available, we will offer this product as well as Artesense and Metacril, as always.

Hope this helps concerned parties. I\'ll post this in the Linnea Safe thread also.

Miracle7x6 wrote: I received a return email from Wade this past weekend. Here is his response to FBG\'s and the use of Metacril.

Hi M7x6,

Glad to hear that all is going well.

1. Metacrill has not proven to be a lessor product than the mentioned others. In 2006 there began a lot of counterfeiting of PMMA\'s, and is most likely the cause for the bad reviews for Metacril. I will be inserting the product information received from Metacril on our website: www.girthenhancement.com
2. We have experienced only one true granulaoma many years ago around the eye of one patient, it was treated with Kenalog injections. All FBG eventually resolve on their own.
3. Once Linnea Safe becomes available, we will offer this product as well as Artesense and Metacril, as always.

Hope this helps concerned parties. I\'ll post this in the Linnea Safe thread also.

The current production of Metacrill will have a hologram seal on the packaging.

I am aware of this CB. Good you pointed it out though. There have been many knock-offs of Metacril; even false labeling.

Last Friday, Dr. C. was kind enough to show me an auth. hologram sticker, and looks difficult to reproduce, but not impossible. I\'m curious as to what a false one would look in comparison.

I had inquired about the whole Metacril/Linnea Safe thing as well and Wade provided me a similar response. As of now I\'m tentatively booked for the beginning of June for R3. I\'m just waiting to confirm my travel details before committing to the appt. However, if I am able to make it I\'ll be fine with Metacril.

Thanks for all the infos guys. There is so much to read and to be re-read. I\'m currently 32 and thinking of getting it done for buy 33th birthday (wouldn\'t that be a great gift to myself?)
I tried emailing Dr. C. But no reply, maybe it got lost in his spam or something. But will try again. Does anyone know does do the doctors inject the solution while you are Erect or soft? I\'m just curious because it would make more sense and easier if it\'s hard vs soft.... Especially underneath the skin. I\'m so glad that finally we guys too have support now.

The PMMA is implanted into the cellulose layer of the penis dorsal/lateral and ventral (while avoiding urethral compression) while the penis is in the Flaccid state.

I said (in another thread):

\"As to PMMA, it is injected and binds into a matrix. It solidifies over time. It BECOMES an \'implant\'. A solid unit. It\'s \'soft\' but still binds to itself.\"

eqstudent responded:

\"I don\'t want to side track this thread but this is just not correct. Maybe we should continue this discussion here?\" (referencing THIS thread).

I\'m not sure why you think this is incorrect. PMMA most definitely binds to itself. It\'s been used as an industrial filler for several years (decades actually). Maybe my use of the term \"solid unit\" made you think I meant it was \"hard\". Sorry, again I\'m not explaining myself fully. It\'s actually quite soft (from my limited experience). But it is bound. Which is a good thing because if it wasn\'t it would migrate. And does it become a matrix? Most definitely. Although, it\'s a highly asymmetric one.

They are agents which hack the body\'s own defenses to reactively-form biotissue.

Edit: Sorry, the above is meant to be humor.

@MHNYou appear to be confusing medical grade PMMA as a tissue filler with some of the other ways a PMMA compound could be used PMMA can be made into solid transparent sheets = PlexiglassPMMA can be used in industrial fillers ie in Acrylic paintsMedical grade PMMA has been used used as bone cement, dentures, hard contact lens, and IOLs to name a few. PMMA used as a tissue filler is a suspension of millions of small (~40 micron) round beads. Each bead after it is injected becomes encased in biological tissue usually Macrophages fused into giant cells and collagen. The PMMA beads never bind together or solidify or become a solid unit. If you search this thread you should find biopsies of >10 year old PMMA implants which shows the same arrangement of PMMA beads, each surrounded by tissue.

I\'m not confusing them. I have both a medical and industrial background. I know of PMMA quite well.

\"PMMA used as a tissue filler is a suspension of millions of small (~40 micron) round beads. Each bead after it is injected becomes encased in biological tissue usually Macrophages fused into giant cells and collagen.\"

That\'s a nice idea. But 1. The process is not perfect. The surgeon will \"hope\" that that\'s the case and will likely try to sell it that way. 2. You\'re right when you say \"The PMMA beads never bind together or solidify\". But that\'s not the point. Once the tissue forms, it\'s \"bound\" and attaches itself to the penile tissue. So if, for whatever reason, it has to be removed, be ready for some very invasive surgery. The beads may not bind directly, but the tissue formation is real. And we still don\'t know what it will turn out like several years down the road. Remember the dermal graft success stories of 10+ years ago? And how many are just now having issues with retraction and \"hardening\" of the graft? This is my point. Maybe PMMA is awesome and will prove itself over time. Or maybe not. I\'m done with my guinea pigging days. But I\'m very interested in others responses/stories. Hopefully these boards can help us all.

Take care and all the best to you,

MHN

Having undergone two procedures, I can state emphatically that the PMMA is not soft or \"fat\" like in any way. At 20% concentration, mine feels quite similar to my naturally engorged penile tissues. Sure there are some irregularities but when inspected via palpation, most women would be unlikely to tell that I have been augmented. The collagen formed in response to the microspheres IS my own tissue and due to neovascularization; fully integrated. My wife is brutally honest with me about everything and has stated that she cannot tell the difference. I suppose if she were to inspect my penis instead of enjoy it, she might. PMMA has been been used in penile bioplasty for over 10 years with remarkable safety and effectiveness when compared to alternative surgical procedures. No surgery is risk free. After speaking with Dr. Casavantes and Dr. Samy Passy regarding their experience, I was informed that there has not been one single instance of FBG (foreign body granuloma) in the penis in their hands. Only nodules and irregularities and in a few cases performed by other surgeons... skin Necrosis have been reported. Wade did say they experienced FBG near the eye in one patient. It was treated via Kenalog and resolved spontaneously. Typically, adverse reaction to PMMA is due to an underlying preexisting condition. Using counterfeit/non-regulated PMMA is dangerous and can lead to serious side effects. Also, early formulations were less pure and resulted in increased side effects. Unless one has spoken with a physician who performs penile bioplasty face to face, most opinions or viewpoints are mere conjecture. There are countless medical documents (abstracts and full reports) on PMMA but very few that specifically reference PMMA in the penis.

As an aside, when I went to Sao Paulo, Brazil to have my peyronie\'s grafting procedure, every single Urologist in the USA told me it was a bad idea and that I was nuts. It was the best decision I\'ve ever made and a 100% success. US doctors are not the holy grail of medicine. There are excellent physicians all over the world and opinions on new techniques and materials will always differ.

No one should ever undergo any form of Phalloplasty without full knowledge of the procedure (pre and post) and potential risks. Hearing positive reports by others does not equate to a successful nor safe procedure. US doctors have less experience with PMMA than the Germans or Brazilians do. If a doctor has little or no experience with PMMA, they will typically tout is as a bad idea or extremely hazardous. It has always been this way. Who knows???? In 5-10 years, US docs may be using PMMA in many cosmetic procedures.

BTW, I hope I didn\'t come off as arrogant in my last post. I actually do have the background that I mentioned, which is partially why I\'m so interested in this. To be honest, most medical professionals that I know are not \"bright\". Which is funny because society places so must trust in them. Many doctors are very good at what they do but, although my GP is excellent, he probably can\'t tie his own damn shoes. Good thing he\'s married because he needs his wife to run EVERYTHING outside of his working life.

Why do let people like this vote?

Sorry to be off topic. Just forget I posted it and lets get on with the conversation...