TOPIC: Infections, Complications, Risks of PMMA?

@Big John

You dog!

Thanks so much for sharing guys! I feel a lot better knowing I\'m not the only one. Sometimes Google can create unnecessary panic. I\'m currently using emu oil and witch hazel topically to see if I can reduce the appearance of them.

Keep us postedRed1975. I don\'t mind mine so much but it would be nice to know if your therapy is effective. I have emu oil and witch hazel at the homestead.

@ Miracle : Did you notice the veins becoming more prominent after each round?

Yes sir I did.

Been spending my time reading forums of long term PMMA patients, in particular the HIV community, some going far back as 2001. From what I can see they have had no complications and are grateful Worst thing I read was someone got a lump or two in their buttocks, nothing serious.

My conclusion is that, people are getting injected by unskilled nurse doctors e.t.c Are they using cannulas or needles and these back street I think some are injection silicone e.t.c and telling patients it\'s PMMA, which is giving it a bad name.

I now plan to book with DR. C in the next few month and get 10 % hopefully like 30 cc. I decided on this because I really do not want lumps.

I am 5.2 Girth would be happy even with a 0.5 gain and touches up in the future with more 10% and thoughts?

Don\'t get 30cc is my advice. I\'ve noticed we don\'t just see diminishing returns with concentration and number of rounds, but also with amount. I\'d go for around 15cc-20cc.

Basically let\'s say a guy with 10cc gains 0.25\", you\'d expect a guy with 20cc to gain 0.5\", but it doesn\'t seem to work like that. It seems to me as if the first round, when PMMA is new to the body, creates the biggest immune response and thus you get more bang for you buck as it were. Some of the guys getting 25cc of 30% aren\'t gaining more than some of the guys who got around 15cc of 10%. So it doesn\'t seem as if the amount of beads injected is directly proportional to the size the immune reaction. So seeing as we want as little foreign body material as possible injected into us, it doesn\'t seem worth having so much more injected when the difference in gains are so marginal.

Unfortunately, I don\'t think you can use the results from the HIV community as a general indicator of PMMA safety. A couple of the articles I read specifically talk about this, and some of the doctors who are against it mention HIV patients as the exception. People with HIV and AIDS have severely compromised immune systems, which either don\'t recognize the PMMA or are too weak to fight it if the body senses a foreign substance.

I still think with the right amounts, a good product and a skilled injector, PMMA is relatively safe, I just wouldn\'t want to see anyone make the leap strictly on the basis of a group whose circumstances make this particular procedure less risky.

I\'m requesting 10% and as many cc\'s as required to correct aesthetics. Nothing more.

ripple wrote: Unfortunately, I don\'t think you can use the results from the HIV community as a general indicator of PMMA safety. A couple of the articles I read specifically talk about this, and some of the doctors who are against it mention HIV patients as the exception. People with HIV and AIDS have severely compromised immune systems, which either don\'t recognize the PMMA or are too weak to fight it if the body senses a foreign substance.

I still think with the right amounts, a good product and a skilled injector, PMMA is relatively safe, I just wouldn\'t want to see anyone make the leap strictly on the basis of a group whose circumstances make this particular procedure less risky.

I don\'t understand how PMMA would work in those cases then. If the body doesn\'t recognize it as a foreign substance and try and wall it off, then where does the volume come from?

The above statement about HIV is incorrect. HIV causes a decrease in t helper cells, which are a specific iummune response white blood cell that identify infectious organisms. T cells don\'t affect autoimmune responses, which is what FBGs are. I wasted a summer taking Immunology so I could graduate on time, I could have been sleeping with college hotties. You reap the benefits.

Sorry, looks like I did a shitty job of summarizing what I read. I\'ll try to hunt down the articles.

One thing that amazed today is that, we are talking about PMMA......What is artefill made out of? PMMA....so how come no one has mentioned reviews and studies relating to this? Yes, it used a different carrier and size a a bit different but it still is PMMA. Here is a link to a thread on realself, talking about lumps, inflammation e.t.c

www.realself.com/review/artefill-artecoll-lumps

xander86 wrote: One thing that amazed today is that, we are talking about PMMA......What is artefill made out of? PMMA....so how come no one has mentioned reviews and studies relating to this? Yes, it used a different carrier and size a a bit different but it still is PMMA. Here is a link to a thread on realself, talking about lumps, inflammation e.t.c

www.realself.com/review/artefill-artecoll-lumps

We have discussed this a lot. All the Artefil studies have been discussed. Lumps in the dermis are much more of a problem than lumps when injected below the fascia. A tiny lump in the face can be devastating as it projects out. Whilst even quite big lumps can be hard to detect when injected at a deeper layer. The same in true for inflammation. Also it\'s impossible to surgically remove lumps from the face without disfigurement. In the penis, one should theoretically be able to remove individual lumps without too much fuss.

This isn\'t to say PMMA in the penis is safer than in the face, as obviously far more is used and the penis is a dynamic organ. It\'s just that virtually all the issues we read about on forums regarding Artefil injections, aren\'t really that big of a deal in the penis. There are one or two reports of more serious inflammatory reactions, but when you consider the amount of people that have these injections, it\'s very low. Generally speaking, most Artefil complications found at Realself and Makemeheal etc, aren\'t that relevant to us. I\'d say 90% of guys having PMMA in the penis, have noted little lumps or slight irregularities, but usually say are only noticeable to them and not an issue. Yet if the exact same thing was to happen on in the skin of a face, then it would certainly be a big problem.

To me, why it is relevant, is because it gives an idea of the long term safety of PMMA, no matter where it is in the body. Yes, we still don\'t know 20 years plus. Also, just so people are aware that lumps can appear even 10 years after injections, and no one on this board can say that won\'t happen, as none here has had it that long. Steroid injections can resolve the issues but leave indents and in some cases once stopped being used, the same problem returned.

I posted the lumps/inflammation link for members who are suffering from it on here with inflammation, as people with PMMA discussed treatment to reduce inflammations / size of lumps / nodules.