TOPIC: Infections, Complications, Risks of PMMA?

Hoddle,

Thank you, you are correct. I see from CHLs 10/27/11 log post a needle was used from the circ. area.

Based on his description of icy hot pain sensations for six months I suspect he suffered from neuropathy, Likely the needle damaged nerve tissue and fascia leading to pain not to mention the large nodules.. Certainly fanning the needle between the Dartos fascia and dermis is not safe. This is why a cannula is used.

I point this out because prospective patients should be fully aware of the high risk and potential negative consequences when undergoing Phalloplasty, especially in a third world foreign country where there is little to no accountability in cases of negligence.

As you mention it whould be great to hear CHL\'s input.

Bigben wrote: Hoddle,

Thank you, you are correct. I see from CHLs 10/27/11 log post a needle was used from the circ. area.

Based on his description of icy hot pain sensations for six months I suspect he suffered from neuropathy, Likely the needle damaged nerve tissue and fascia leading to pain not to mention the large nodules.. Certainly fanning the needle between the Dartos fascia and dermis is not safe. This is why a cannula is used.

I point this out because prospective patients should be fully aware of the high risk and potential negative consequences when undergoing Phalloplasty, especially in a third world foreign country where there is little to no accountability in cases of negligence.

As you mention it whould be great to hear CHL\'s input.

I don\'t think nerve or fascia damage is likely either. From CHL\'s description I don\'t think there are any problems other than aesthetic. I\'m sure we will some pretty bad complications with this procedure and I\'ve posted links to some Brazilian blogs where there are many reports of bad complications. However, from what I\'ve seen and from my experience, CHL\'s issues to date, don\'t really fall into those categories.
I\'d suggest the pain he felt was as much psychosomatic as anything else. I get sharp pains in my penis all the time. I really notice them these days as my PE past has given reason for me to do so. Every time I had a surgery, during the recovery period, I\'d feel little pains and niggles and become convinced something was badly wrong.
For example, when I had a seroma after PLGA scaffold surgery, I became convinced I was experiencing an inflammatory reaction, when is reality it was just fluid build up. But believe me, if you have a massive bulge of fluid in the middle of your penis and then notice a slight redness or feel a sharp pain, you\'ll go into major panic mode. I\'ve been through this kind of thing so many times now that I look out for little shots of pain or soreness when my penis isn\'t in a recovery phase, so that I can remind myself how normal it is, if and when i go through me next penis surgery. You\'d be amazed at how many times during the day you\'ll feel something that could cause alarm if you\'d had a recent surgery, that you totally ignore when you\'ve no reasons to be concerned.
Quite a few other guys have reported odd sensations etc for a months after surgery. I think it\'s far more likely that CHL was the same, only combined with his aesthetic issues it put him under a lot of stress mentally and he\'d become convinced of the worst. It\'s happened to me so I know what it\'s like.
I doubt the fascia was damaged or he\'d have more than likely suffered some sort of retraction or skin adhesion\'s. Also it wasn\'t his first PMMA procedure, so I think the needle would have been used to tunnel through the new collagen tissue, and not between the dartos and bucks, like it would on the initial procedure. Perhaps that is why an needle was used and possibly why CHL has had his aesthetic issues. It could be that for some reason the collagen form more densely in him. This would make it harder for a cannula to move through and easier for aesthetic issues to occur.

Hi Hoddle,

Well whether he had nerve damage or not, it sounds like the pain symptoms subsided, which is really all that matters. He did have a lymph node removed, so although we can not say with certainty this was due to PMMA, I would not conclude his issues are purely cosmetic until he follows up with us.

I think you are likely correct the doctor used a needle because a cannula would not penetrate the existing PMMA fibrous tissue, that would make a lot of sense. Perhaps trauma from the needle to the lymph tissue resulted in some short term migration via the lymph system.

If that is the case I guess the good news is the worst is likely behind him. It is worrisome though because you have to wonder how many other guys are being injected with needles for followup treatments, and will this lead to problems ?

Thanks for sharing your experience. It sounds like you have been down a rough road, my best wishes go out to you. I have also had issues with hyper-sensitization in the past which is common as long term pain can to an extent rewire the brain. So it is possible to feel discomfort even after the painful stimulus has dissipated.

Hi, I\'m posting here for the first time but I\'ve been reading through this forum for a long time. I\'m about to travel to SD in couple of weeks and have already booked a time for Dr. C. But reading these complication posts I\'ve started to rethink.. I\'ll be having it as a holiday trip anyways so I can still get away from this.. until I wire the money.

I\'m from Europe, and I\'ve had Macrolane (Hyaluronic Acid) PE done one year ago. It was a bit of a disappointment, alot of misshape and lumps.. there is still some of that along the shaft, also small lumps.
These lumps / nodules seem to be the most common problem with PMMA also. With Macrolane, I have managed to even out most of these lumps by squeezing and massaging, even now after one year I have got couple of these lumps and succesfully squeezed them. It has to be done with alot of force though.

Have you tried to do that when you have got these problems ? Ofcourse I\'m not suggesting anybody to try that, but I think some of you might have tried it and would like to know if you had any success ? or is there some risks if you try to do that ?

I quess so far nobody has got these really bad FBG\'s that actually break the skin and make a visible wound ? Are all of these issues just lumps ? I read that somebody has also removed them by a surgery, that sounds really bad..

My stats EL 7\", EG before Macrolane 5\" right after (50ml) 6,5\" and now maybe average of 6\" after one year. I have also called to Dr.C\'s office and they said that the only problem with me having this HA done before and still having it along the shaft, would be a \"lower area\" on places where Hyaluronic Acid will absorb.. what do you guys think ? I haven\'t seen anybody here who had HA injected before PMMA, one guy was about to go but haven\'t got any updates. So if there is somebody with similar background, please share your experiences.

I think I also belong to a group that shouldn\'t even have to do this but I\'m married and my wife wouldn\'t mind some extra Girth ..
One more question: is it same with PMMA that for some reason more girht always goes to the base ? I would like it to be as thick right under the glans also.. I\'m uncut so skin retracts back quite alot during sex so I\'d like to get PMMA as close to the glans as possible.. that didn\'t quite work with HA gel either.. was that about technique, I don\'t know .. ?

My post might be a bit confusing as I tried to ask many thinkgs in one time. I hope I could get some answers though.

Cheers and thank you for all active people here sharing all the invaluable information.

you69 wrote: Hi, I\'m posting here for the first time but I\'ve been reading through this forum for a long time. I\'m about to travel to SD in couple of weeks and have already booked a time for Dr. C. But reading these complication posts I\'ve started to rethink.. I\'ll be having it as a holiday trip anyways so I can still get away from this.. until I wire the money.

I\'m from Europe, and I\'ve had Macrolane (Hyaluronic Acid) PE done one year ago. It was a bit of a disappointment, alot of misshape and lumps.. there is still some of that along the shaft, also small lumps.
These lumps / nodules seem to be the most common problem with PMMA also. With Macrolane, I have managed to even out most of these lumps by squeezing and massaging, even now after one year I have got couple of these lumps and succesfully squeezed them. It has to be done with alot of force though.

Have you tried to do that when you have got these problems ? Ofcourse I\'m not suggesting anybody to try that, but I think some of you might have tried it and would like to know if you had any success ? or is there some risks if you try to do that ?

I quess so far nobody has got these really bad FBG\'s that actually break the skin and make a visible wound ? Are all of these issues just lumps ? I read that somebody has also removed them by a surgery, that sounds really bad..

My stats EL 7\", EG before Macrolane 5\" right after (50ml) 6,5\" and now maybe average of 6\" after one year. I have also called to Dr.C\'s office and they said that the only problem with me having this HA done before and still having it along the shaft, would be a \"lower area\" on places where Hyaluronic Acid will absorb.. what do you guys think ? I haven\'t seen anybody here who had HA injected before PMMA, one guy was about to go but haven\'t got any updates. So if there is somebody with similar background, please share your experiences.

I think I also belong to a group that shouldn\'t even have to do this but I\'m married and my wife wouldn\'t mind some extra Girth ..
One more question: is it same with PMMA that for some reason more girht always goes to the base ? I would like it to be as thick right under the glans also.. I\'m uncut so skin retracts back quite alot during sex so I\'d like to get PMMA as close to the glans as possible.. that didn\'t quite work with HA gel either.. was that about technique, I don\'t know .. ?

My post might be a bit confusing as I tried to ask many thinkgs in one time. I hope I could get some answers though.

Cheers and thank you for all active people here sharing all the invaluable information.

Why do people with healthy endowments mess with their dicks??

Anyways, in the end it\'s your call. You\'ve experienced PE before, and you know the headaches that can come with dealing with less-than-stellar aesthetic outcomes. Imo, Dr. C is a talented physician, but the penis lends itself to some unpredictability when it comes to PMMA bioplasty. This is perhaps true for all filler techniques in the penis (i.e. macrolane). You say you\'ve done a lot of reading, so I feel that now it\'s a matter of some open-minded brain storming, think pros & cons, need for travel, costs, and future risks down the road. The call is ultimately yours.

And as for your question regarding base Girth and PMMA: It has become apparent that filling the area just behind the glans is the hardest to achieve...the skin is tighter there and the PMMA doesn\'t \"stick\" as well (varies penis to penis). Because of this, in order to achieve a more realistic look, the doctor must taper the penis from the glans to the base, resulting in a thicker base. This is usually the reason why, but in some instances, members request thicker bases for whatever reason.

Good luck.

Hi 69, think I can offer you some advice. I also had Macrolane about 3 years ago. Basically it was useless. I had it removed 2 weeks later. At least that was easy and successful using a simple injection of hyalase. It was gone within 24 hours !

Last Oct I had my first round of PMMA and I can tell you they behave very differently. PMMA may not be without it\'s problems but it\'s way ahead of Macrolane in my opinion. My PMMA is at least relatively evenly spread out, the macrolane wasn\'t, it bunched at the base and looked and felt ridiculous. PMMA also feels more natural and it\'s permanent, which may or may not be a good thing depending on your point of view.

I\'m pretty happy with my PMMA so far, although I\'d like a second round. I definitley wasn\'t with Macrolane. But I would suggest caution and perhaps sticking to the 10% PMMA. Hope that helps.

Mikehok, thanks, that is actually the first time I hear somebody comparing these two. I also was about to use hyaluronidase to get rid of Macrolane but eventually I managed to rub it to spread more evenly. I also heard that this absorbing injection might also \"eat\" some of your own tissue so I didn\'t want to do that. I also had the problem with HA that it bunched to the base at first..
Have you had any lumps or nodules or misshaping after PMMA ? you\'re saying that you\'re \"pretty happy\" with the result, is there something to be fixed on second time ? I mean if you didn\'t want to go to R2, would it be good enough to survive with what you have now aestethically ? I\'m coming from so far away (expensive, time taking) that I think I should have almost a year between the rounds..
Do you think PMMA feels harder ? I would like it to be maybe harder than Macrolane.. how much (ml) Macrolane was used on you ? And how big gain did you get in comparison to PMMA ? I know it didn\'t go well and you had it removed, but as a volume was it filled more than with PMMA ?

SO, thanks for your critical comment, I\'ve been thinking about pros and cons for a long time, it feels more difficult to decide as the date is coming closer. I might postpone it due to the rising discussion of complications..

The PMMA isn\'t 100% perfection. I do have a number of small lumps, one just behind the glans and others dotted about the shaft. But they are quite small, largest is probably about the size of half a pea. I can feel undulations on the shaft from the PMMA. But no one would notice any of this unless they inspected it closely. I\'ve had sex with several women since with no negative comments. Only my ex gf who experienced it pre PMMA, commented that it seemed \"fat\" and asked if I had done something ! Oh and I did meet a Chinese girl who kept telling I had a great size and how her ex was so much smaller.

I think I had 30ml Macrolane and it probably created more volume than my PMMA, but like I said it was bunched at the base when Erect. In the Flaccid state macrolane was very lumpy.These lumps kind of moved around so my Dick never looked the same. It did look bad and I mean bad !

I could definitely live with the appearance now without needing a second round. Having gained 0.5ins, I\'m 5.5ins EG which is ok although I\'d prefer to be closer to 6. Unfortunately it\'s my Flaccid that still concerns me. Contrary to what you might think, the PMMA had a less impressive effect on that than my Erect in terms of increased Girth. Logically with a smaller surface area the Flaccid Girth gain should be much greater, but thats not what happened. I wonder if anyone else experienced anything similar ? So for that reason I\'m considering a second round, it\'s just the distance and hassle that\'s delaying me.

Out of interest where did you get the macrolane done ?

hey guys! could anyone help me with Dr C\'s email adress. I\'ve emailed him at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. This was a month ago. Having received no answer, I emailed again, but still nothing. I\'ve also tried at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it., the woman doc from prague, no answer from her either. Do you guys know of another place in Europe? thanks

@mateiserban

This is the wrong place to post your question.

If they haven\'t responded, odds are they have a high volume of inquiries and you\'ll just have to wait.

Please resume the topic matter, thanks.

From what I\'ve read about PMMA in females with breast enhancement and buttocks enhancement, is that over the course of several years the PMMA will continue to harden and these women have rock hard breasts and asses. Now, this is an interesting thing because this might not be considered a complication by some to have a hard Flaccid penis, and additionally, it still shouldn\'t interfere with Erection ability since this is all dermal anyway or am i wrong about that? Maybe difficulty with skin flexibility when you achieve an Erection it might pull it painfully if it hardens? eh i dont know. But either way, if you\'ve survived the procedure past 1 year, no Necrosis, the only complications should be the nodules, lumps, reabsorption if it migrates and possible hardening of your Flaccid Cock years down the road which may cause pain during erections should the skin become inflexible. But that is totally an unprofessional opinion based on the articles posted on this website and researching opinions from women who have had ultra-high volumes of PMMA in their breasts and buttocks in the 80\'s, which is a pretty bad comparison all things considered...

That is odd, I have read about 100\'s of serious cases in female patients, and except for nodules, I have never seen someone mention the PMMA getting hard. In fact they are all complain of almost identical symptoms: Warm feeling leading to lumps (granulomas) and pain. This never seems to happen within the first 3 years though. Always sometime between years 3 and beyond.

A very typical case is a girl in her early 20\'s who had multiple rounds of injections with no initial problems. It seems the younger the person, the more likely they are to develop this autoimmune reaction. Perhaps because you have a more robust immune system when you are younger ?

Also I have not read about PMMA being injected to achieve breast enlargement ? Perhaps the cases you read about are liquid silicone, which I know can result in long term hardening.

BTW the PMMA patients never mention Necrosis either. And I don\'t think that or the cosmetic lumps that develop right after injection are really a big issue. Women make reference to them but don\'t seem to mind too much as long as they get the expected volume.

@Bigben

Here is one link describing what happens with PMMA over time. PMMA as many of you know was originally discovered and used in the 1930\'s as a bone filler. \"A bone cement called PMMA starts out as a liquid and hardens over time\".

Is the PMMA solution that Dr. C and other physicians use include something that prevents this from happening? I did read on other sites too that PMMA hardening in the case of buttocks injections is actually contrary to reports from patients and that most are happy with it (beyond granulomas and nodules ofc).

My question is even if the PMMA in your cock were to harden, would this really be an issue? It is a dermal filler, should not affect erectile function, my guess is it might make erections painful as the skin is pulled tighter if it were to harden. I\'m totally reaching here anyone with medical knowledge know why this would be a problem? Anyway the link is below:

www.cancer.org/Cancer/BoneCancer/Overvie...iew-treating-surgery

Some guys have reported losing a little bit of Erect length after PMMA, but only a small amount. So I would assume it does not stretch as much as skin tissue. But maybe the bone cement PMMA is much higher concentration.

Insight wrote: @Bigben

... PMMA as many of you know was originally discovered and used in the 1930\'s as a bone filler. \"A bone cement called PMMA starts out as a liquid and hardens over time\"...
My question is even if the PMMA in your Cock were to harden, would this really be an issue? ...

PMMA : 1930\'s bone cement ... 2000\'s boner cement.

Answer to your question: That\'s what she said.

Sorry for sidelining the thread, back on topic....