TOPIC: Considering the elist implant

jjk wrote: As I have said in earlier posts, Elist is the only doctor permitted by the FDA to do the surgery. He is not able to sell the penuma implant and technique to other doctors. The article acknowledges that length comes over time due to gravity...just like Elist told me. Girth is immediate. I will continue to post my picture...next one with newspaper dated so people like Mustang will finally realize that I am not a shill but just a guy that had the surgery and still believes that it has a great chance for success.

Can you please stop posting Elist\'s propaganda. I\'ve told you already he has no patent and anyone can use these implants. FDA clearance is not FDA approval. One simply means that the materials are cleared by the FDA, whilst the other means it\'s been tested and approved. When Elists uses terms like \"FDA approval\" he\'s manipulating you. It\'s the same with his patent.

Let me explain this to you one more time. Elist has a patent for a design from 2001. Not only does that patent only last 14 years (so it ran out 2 years ago), but he hasn\'t even used that design for a long time, so the patent isn\'t relevant. That design was probably never used. It was only ever a marketing scam, that people like you seem to fall for. However, your premise for posting here seems to be that you want to hear from new patients who have had the new implant. You even mentioned the totally different design. So with that in mind, why on earth do you keep going on about the patent?

If a Dr wants to take a soft sheet of silicon, cut it to the shape of the penis and insert it, they can. There is nothing Elist can do to stop them. And anyway the patent has only been in place since 2001, so even if you believe in it (which not even you can\'t anymore), you still have to explain why no one did this before 2001, despite silicone being the worlds most popular cosmetic implant material. Of course the answer is the same as why no one else does it now.

And using Dr. Elist\'s own ad as evidence that the implant should be trusted reminds me of the ol\' joke about prison...\"Everybody in here is innocent...just ask them.\"

I have brought up the patent because many in here are saying that anybody can do this surgery. The FDA has only approved Dr Elist for putting in his Penuma Implant. It isn\'t just a bunch of silicone slapped together to conform to the penis. There is a specific design of the implant with incorporated meshing and technique to the surgery. He can\'t train other doctors and sell the technology until he gets FDA clearance for that. If he gets that, don\'t kid yourself, there will be a ton of plastic surgeons that will want to get in on the action. If the surgeons thought they could do it they would be...too much money not to do it while they watch Elist make $50,000.00 a day doing the surgeries.

A big issue that I see from people who had the old implant was that it didn\'t seem to fit well by the glans and some had poking of the skin issues and subsequent infections. I think that part of the problem people were having with the implant poking through the skin near the glans or causing micro tears inside leading to infection may have been that he was putting in an implant that was just too big. Everyone wants the XXXL. I believe I only got the large. That leaves the skin covering the penis some room to adapt to the implant. If I had gone XXL or more it would have put more pressure on the skin which could possibly lead to problems. That is why he says on his website and ads that the size of the implant is determined by the looseness of the penile skin.


I\'m not telling people to run out and do the surgery but at the same time I wouldn\'t discourage them based on my experience so far. So far, what Elis has told me to expect has come to pass. He has answered every e-mail with my weekly pics the same day. I had an issue last week where on the right side of my incision line I had a little bleeding. He looked at the pic and could see that it might be an ingrown hair coming through which opened up a little sore. He called in triple antibiotic cream as well as oral antibiotics. He follows through and is responsive. My \"sore\" is healing nicely. Healing is a process and you can have some ups and downs during the process. Some of the posts I\'ve seen in other PhalloBoards on Elist seem like some of the guys just freaked out because of anything that looked like it possibly could be an issue. One guy had the surgery and wanted it out a week later...maybe it just wasn\'t what he expected but I think he should have given it a little time. For instance I hear guys in here saying it\'s like having a dildo and continuous hard on etc. Not true. It is that way for the first month or so but in the last week or so the implant has softened greatly and I don\'t even notice it when sitting down whereas before I did. That by the way was explained to me would be what would happen by Dr. Ali in the days post op. I am posting and will continue to post so that someone considering the surgery at least gets to hear my experience so they can get an honest perspective...not just a one-sided version

OMG! WTF is wrong with you? What patent are you talking about? The only patent you will be able to find is a design patent from 2001. It ran out 2 years ago, but isn\'t relevant as he hasn\'t used that model for the entire time he\'s been promoting his implant. As I mentioned above, you yourself even acknowledge that his current implant (which he\'s been using for many years despite you thinking it\'s new), is not the same implant for which he holds a design patent. So again, why on earth do you keep suggesting that no one else is doing it due to a patent. The implant in your penis is not patented.

Any Dr can use a silicone implant. They don\'t as the idea is totally flawed. It\'s why things like Dermal Grafts, Alloderm and FFT were used long before Elist\'s implant came along. Or do you think it never crossed anyone\'s mind to use wrap some flexible silicone around a penis before Elist?

hoddle10 wrote: OMG! WTF is wrong with you? What patent are you talking about? The only patent you will be able to find is a design patent from 2001. It ran out 2 years ago, but isn\'t relevant as he hasn\'t used that model for the entire time he\'s been promoting his implant. As I mentioned above, you yourself even acknowledge that his current implant (which he\'s been using for many years despite you thinking it\'s new), is not the same implant for which he holds a design patent. So again, why on earth do you keep suggesting that no one else is doing it due to a patent. The implant in your penis is not patented.

Any Dr can use a silicone implant. They don\'t as the idea is totally flawed. It\'s why things like Dermal Grafts, Alloderm and FFT were used long before Elist\'s implant came along. Or do you think it never crossed anyone\'s mind to use wrap some flexible silicone around a penis before Elist?

I think jjk is just trolling now......

Jjk
Have you ever discussed (even in passing) PhalloBoards website with Dr. Elist?
Just curios.

Is this real life? Why are you guys responding to his guy? Ban him.

We will never see actual pix of him, he never had it. I knew it from his 2nd or third posting.

The most important thing to do now, is not try to convince him of anything; he is a paid man, but to show others the reality of a defunct elist silicone implant that will cause major damage when installed and even FURTHER damage when removed.

I am beating a dead horse, but it begs for an answer:

1. Why did he say his penile skin was rolled back yet pix show typical huge elist FDA patented abdomen incision?

2.Where is Aero604?

That\'s why I asked jjk to take pictures with a piece of paper with the date & year. He said he would to no avail.

Elist uses shills left & right, its his tricks of the trade, to continuously have shills out there lying.

Mustang you don\'t even understand the surgery. Are you saying that the penile skin isn\'t rolled back. The GQ author witnessed it and reported about the surgery in the story. An incision is made below the abdomen to assist in attaching the implant as well as inserting the mesh support for the bottom of the implant. The top of the implant is attached just below the penis glans.

Jazzy Jay I posted pictures early on and I am going to post pictures on Thursday with a newspaper for you to see a date so that you know I am for real. You should\'ve figured out by now that I am for real given the specifics I have given regarding my experience.

I sent a private message to Aero but have not heard back from him. Can\'t say that I blame him for not wanting to get involved with the bickering. Some of his old posts actually related to his feeling that he was being censured in here but later that issue was cleared up.

I\'m sure that many guys out there are reading all of our posts as they are trying to figure out if it makes sense for them to do it. It\'s a personal decision. I would tell anyone thinking about it to understand that it is not exactly the same as your real penis. When the penis is in the Flaccid state you will be able to feel it. When the penis is hard your partner would not know that you have an implant. I guess it depends on how badly you want a bigger penis. There is no doubt that you will be bigger in the Flaccid state. I was a little more than 3 Flaccid and am now 4.25 and that will get bigger when the dissolvable stitches release...probably another Inch. My Girth is over 6.5 when hard and I love that feeling. I can barely get my hand around it at the base. I will keep all up to date with my progress so that a fair and balanced perspective is given. Bottom line is knowing what I know now from my experience thus far I would do it again.

jjk wrote: Mustang you don\'t even understand the surgery. Are you saying that the penile skin isn\'t rolled back. The GQ author witnessed it and reported about the surgery in the story. An incision is made below the abdomen to assist in attaching the implant as well as inserting the mesh support for the bottom of the implant. The top of the implant is attached just below the penis glans.

Jazzy Jay I posted pictures early on and I am going to post pictures on Thursday with a newspaper for you to see a date so that you know I am for real. You should\'ve figured out by now that I am for real given the specifics I have given regarding my experience.

I sent a private message to Aero but have not heard back from him. Can\'t say that I blame him for not wanting to get involved with the bickering. Some of his old posts actually related to his feeling that he was being censured in here but later that issue was cleared up.

I\'m sure that many guys out there are reading all of our posts as they are trying to figure out if it makes sense for them to do it. It\'s a personal decision. I would tell anyone thinking about it to understand that it is not exactly the same as your real penis. When the penis is in the Flaccid state you will be able to feel it. When the penis is hard your partner would not know that you have an implant. I guess it depends on how badly you want a bigger penis. There is no doubt that you will be bigger in the Flaccid state. I was a little more than 3 Flaccid and am now 4.25 and that will get bigger when the dissolvable stitches release...probably another Inch. My Girth is over 6.5 when hard and I love that feeling. I can barely get my hand around it at the base. I will keep all up to date with my progress so that a fair and balanced perspective is given. Bottom line is knowing what I know now from my experience thus far I would do it again.

Interesting.....will be waiting patiently for your pictures Thursday. You don\'t need a newspaper, just a piece of paper with thethe day, date & year & your \"jjk\" screen name.

I was 6.5 inches in Girth as well after I received the implant, after getting it out, I\'m.now 5.75 inches in Girth, but I still wish I didn\'t get the implant even tho I gained 3/4 in Girth. The mental anguish of going thru a surgery & having it fail when you live across the country is unimaginable to those that haven\'t been thru it.

Jazzy what about your Erect length... pre op... post op and post Removal. Your idea is easier regarding the pic...maybe I\'ll do that tomorrow for you

jjk wrote: Mustang you don\'t even understand the surgery. Are you saying that the penile skin isn\'t rolled back.

I believe Mustang understands the surgery.
And no, the penile skin is not rolled back. There is a real easy way to tell.
Do you have an incision running the circumference of your penis, either at glans or base?
If not, there is no way to roll back the skin from the abdominal incision.

jjk wrote: Jazzy what about your Erect length... pre op... post op and post Removal. Your idea is easier regarding the pic...maybe I\'ll do that tomorrow for you

Pre op I was 2.75 Flaccid length & 5x5 Erect.....when I received the implant I was 3.5 in Flaccid, only gained 3/4 of an Inch, & 5 inches Flaccid Girth.......I was still 5 inches Erect & 6.5 inches in Girth with the implant.

After removing the silicone disaster, 4.5 inches Erect, & with all the scar tissue, I will never get it back to 5 in Erect. Girth is at 5.75.......I never went to see anyone about removing scar tissue.....my only hope is Dr Anthony Atala, I will keep waiting for his office to call me, I want to be in the clinical trials, but that might be a while.

jjk I am sort of amazed at your persistence about your implant and wanting to be on this board. I think that you feel you are educating people about the implant - but you aren\'t. You may have dodged a bullet - but since the gun was only just fired you may be taking a direct hit - that is all you can really say at this point. This is true for a lot of guys on this board to some extent, myself included, but especially true for you more than anyone. If I were you, I would take my cards and go home or at least be a little less vocal about the procedure as the full outcome is yet to happen - give it at least a year so you can have some experience with the effect it is going to have on your anatomy. What I find unnerving about your posts is that I don\'t hear the caution most guys would have when they just had such an invasive surgery done on their Dick and your procedure has a very bad track record on top of it. FYI the graft that I had removed was just a little thicker than yours. I can tell you from experience if your implant ever has to come out you will not be visiting the Dick you remember. It will be a whole new Dick, with an assortment of scars, loose skin, possibly nerve damage, fibrotic tissue, shortened length, curved/bent etc. A percentage of Elist patients have that in their future for certain. Even if that is not you - even if it is only 10%-20% which is really low balling it - that is a lot of disfigured guys who are going to be dealing with a Dick that they don\'t feel comfortable showing a partner and frequently abstaining from sex, dates, and relationships. And if they are not lucky enough to have the cash for all the reconstruction, then they are really, really fucked. My advice to you is be low-key - and why not ask Elist if he will give you the emails of a few patients that you can communicate with directly. That will be more helpful to you than this board I bet.